Good Luck MissTickly. As a (hopefully) former Lib you are about to be given a lesson in what liberalism really means in practice.
Godspeed MissTickly and may He richly bless you!
Prayers and fingers crossed at least SOMETHING will come of this effort!
I saw, earlier today on FR, that Lolo Soetoro may have had a third name that was used as a surname. You may have to submit a requesy for Barry/Barack Soetoro-”Mxxxx”.
Sorry. No time to research for you. Contact pissant?
Thanks. Belated WELCOME ABOARD!
No offense and I wish you well on your effort, but this issue seems to be gaining no ground and may have a negative impact on TOTUS’ “detractors”. The state-run media is completely in the tank, in general, and on this specific issue, even more brooms.
But, I guess the biggest question is the Director:
Why the HELL should we give a crap if you have *seen* the birth certificate?
Why not just make a copy available to the public (or at least public viewing)?
And, why is it that the media has LITERALLY spent years and literally millions trying to unseal government records of public events that everyone saw?
I mean how may state-run media reporters have been “on the beat” just to uncover some truly inconsequential “factoid” to prove that Dick Cheney’s whereabouts where unknown for 5 minutes during the morning of 9-11 (or some other conspiracy theory).
Why is it that the media members can’t ask/demand the Director of Health/Vital Statistics: thanks for your comments, honey, but let’s go ahead and see the original (or facsimile thereof)?
I don’t care if you are a lifelong democrat and plan to remain a lifelong democrat as long as somebody gets the records.
I think they will pull this on you:
(1) Government records which, if disclosed, would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
But certainly, you should at least be able to get the name of the law that Fukino used to come to her legal conclusion about the natural born status.
“Letters of Verification
Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.
Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.
The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.”
“ [§338-14.3] Verification in lieu of a certified copy. (a) Subject to the requirements of section 338-18, the department of health, upon request, shall furnish to any applicant, in lieu of the issuance of a certified copy, a verification of the existence of a certificate and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event that pertains to the certificate.
(b) A verification shall be considered for all purposes certification that the vital event did occur and that the facts of the event are as stated by the applicant.
(c) Verification may be made in written, electronic, or other form approved by the director of health.
(d) The fee for a verification in lieu of a certified copy shall be one half of the fee established in section 338-14.5 for the first certified copy of a certificate issued.
(e) Fees received for verifications in lieu of certified copies shall be remitted, and one half of the fee shall be deposited to the credit of the vital statistics improvement special fund in section 338-14.6 and the remainder of the fee shall be deposited to the credit of the state general fund. [L 2001, c 246, §1]”
In HRS 338-0018 ********Important info here***************
“ (g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is: . . .
(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or
(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes. [L 1949, c 327, §22; RL 1955, §57-21; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; am L 1967, c 30, §2; HRS §338-18; am L 1977, c 118, §1; am L 1991, c 190, §1; am L 1997, c 305, §5; am L 2001, c 246, §2]”
See that last section. Are you affiliated with any group, club, or anything where you could credibly seek the info to write an educational or research paper? Do you know a student who might be willing to lend their name to this and could have their school vouch for them in some way? Of course, I suppose that you could form your own “social organization”. Good looking letterhead is cheap.
You all did a great job last night in coming up with all the right questions to ask!
I wonder what the response will be...
KUDOS-I’ll be waitin w/ya for a ‘valid’ response....