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John Stossel / ABC News Explode Gun Control Myth
MCRGO (Internet) ^ | 1/24/04 | Stu Chisholm

Posted on 01/24/2004 4:58:05 AM PST by Glockslinger

Last night's ABC News magazine program, "20/20," had a pleasant surprise for the pro-gun community in a segment called "Lies, Myths and Downright Stupidity."

John Stossel, known for his segments called "Give Me A Break," who now also has a book by the same name, exposed many of the commonly held beliefs that we usually just accept, but have no true basis in fact.

One in particular, labeled "Myth #3: Guns Are Bad," pointed out many things that second amendment advocates have known for years; that guns are used much more often for defensive uses than in crime. Citing data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), he also exposed data showing that popular methods of gun control, such as the Brady Bill, have had little if any effect on crime.

Interviewing a group of prison inmates, Stossel reports, "Some maximum security felons I spoke to in New Jersey scoffed at measures like the Brady law. They said they'll have no trouble getting guns if they want them. A Justice Department study confirmed what the prisoners said. But get this: the felons say that the thing they fear the most is not the police, not time in prison, but, you, another American who might be armed."

Stossel goes on to say to say that many states have passed what he refers to as "gun un-control" in the form of concealed carry laws, which have been shown to be an effective deterrent to violent crime. Some women say they're comforted by the new law, according to the report.

The segment concludes by saying, "Many people are horrified at the idea of concealed carry laws, and predict mayhem if all states adopt these laws. But surprise, 36 states already have concealed carry laws, and not one reported an upsurge in gun crime."

What is amazing about this exemplary, straight forward report is that is appeared on a prime-time ABC news program, a network that has a reputation for being very un-friendly to the NRA and the pro-gun community at large. Whether or not ABC has reconsidered it's official policy, or if it is simply John Stossel's own research and opinion remains to be seen. In any case, ABC is to be commended for it's airing of the truth behind an often controversial, yet vital issue.

See the whole program at: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/myths_john_stossel_040123-1.html

~Stu Chisholm


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KEYWORDS: abcnews; bang; banglist; crime; firearms; guncontrol; myth; stossel
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Be sure to write John Stossel and thank him for bringing the truth to primetime network television for a change!
1 posted on 01/24/2004 4:58:05 AM PST by Glockslinger
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To: *bang_list
Bang!
2 posted on 01/24/2004 4:59:32 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Glockslinger
I heard ABC management and the others on that show really dislike his commentary--but they have to acknowledge that his segments bring in some of the most postive e-mails, letters, and faxes to the show.

Translation: they hate his politics but he is good for ratings.

3 posted on 01/24/2004 5:01:06 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Glockslinger
Stossels has been doing a great job with no backing from his employer for years now - great job! BUMP!
4 posted on 01/24/2004 5:01:37 AM PST by arrow107
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To: Glockslinger
I spoke to in New Jersey scoffed at measures like the Brady law. They said they'll have no trouble getting guns if they want them.

The Brady law is just something to make liberals feel good about themselves. That it has either no effect or a negative effect on crime is completely meaningless to them. .....Feeling good is all that matters.

5 posted on 01/24/2004 5:04:18 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Glockslinger
Clark wary of concealed guns

11:21 PM 1/19/04
Scott Milfred State government reporter

Though he owns a lot of guns, loves to hunt and spent 38 years in the military, Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark is generally opposed to letting citizens carry concealed handguns.

"I don't feel right about concealed weapons," Clark told the Wisconsin State Journal during a brief telephone call from New Hampshire on Friday, where he was campaigning for that state's Jan. 27 primary.

"It's OK if you're a detective on the police force," Clark continued. "But I don't see a requirement for ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons."

This article contains the positions on several of the RAT canidates on CCW. Print it out and share it with your local shooting range and fellow gun owners!

6 posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:24 AM PST by GailA (Millington Rally for America after action http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/872519/posts)
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To: SkyPilot
Interesting. ....I've never written him before, but I will now.
7 posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:33 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Glockslinger
"In a desperate struggle to survive, ABC is beginning to tell the truth in selected subject areas!"
8 posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by Ed_in_NJ
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To: SkyPilot
Minnesota enacted CCW about a year ago, amidst dire predictions of gunfights in the streets and at the ballgames, etc. To my knowledge the only incident to date is a (permit holding) guy shooting his brother's car because he didn't want him driving drunk. It was on private property where he was not required to have a permit. The guy had the permit prior to the enactment, too.
9 posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:43 AM PST by Aeronaut (In my humble opinion, the new expression for backing down from a fight should be called 'frenching')
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To: arrow107
I am amazed that ABC hasn't tied him up and hidden him in a basement. Truely amazed.
10 posted on 01/24/2004 5:05:53 AM PST by cajungirl (.)
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To: SkyPilot
I heard ABC management and the others on that show really dislike his commentary--but they have to acknowledge that his segments bring in some of the most postive e-mails, letters, and faxes to the show. Translation: they hate his politics but he is good for ratings.

I don't think John Stoessel has any politics. He simply is an extreme rarity: an honest, brilliant, fiercely independent mainstream investigative reporter. THAT'S what the liberal news editors hate about him.

11 posted on 01/24/2004 5:06:01 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Man rises to greatness if greatness is expected of him)
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To: SkyPilot
Translation: they hate his politics but he is good for ratings.

I'll take it!

12 posted on 01/24/2004 5:08:10 AM PST by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Glockslinger
The gun banners are not concerned about reducing crime. Their agenda is to disarm America so that they can take over.
13 posted on 01/24/2004 5:08:30 AM PST by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: Glockslinger
Whether or not ABC has reconsidered it's official policy, or if it is simply John Stossel's own research and opinion remains to be seen.

It's Stossel. He's got an excellent track record of looking at hot issues "fresh" and reporting on them with an uncommon amount of common sense and fairness.

14 posted on 01/24/2004 5:09:08 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Mr. Mojo
Passed during the Reagan adminsitration. Ironic, ain't it?
15 posted on 01/24/2004 5:09:09 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Glockslinger
I caught the end of it and missed his other lies and myths. It was refreshing to hear the truth, for a change, during that time slot.
16 posted on 01/24/2004 5:17:49 AM PST by secret garden (Go Predators! Go Spurs!)
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To: TheGeezer
Passed during the Reagan adminsitration. Ironic, ain't it?

No, it was passed in late 1993 under the misrule of XXX-42.

17 posted on 01/24/2004 5:21:13 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Dean's problem is that he's upset that someone stole his strawberries.)
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To: Glockslinger
Nice report...
18 posted on 01/24/2004 5:22:18 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Glockslinger
In light of the Supreme Court's refusal to hear the California case, the 2nd amendment is in deep trouble.
19 posted on 01/24/2004 5:32:21 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: TheGeezer
>>...Passed during the Reagan adminsitration...<<

Klinton signed the law with Jim Brady sitting next to him.

20 posted on 01/24/2004 5:38:03 AM PST by FReepaholic (Never Forget: www.september-11-videos.com)
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To: Zipporah
In light of the Supreme Court's refusal to hear the California case, the 2nd amendment is in deep trouble.

I hate to say this, but in light of some of the recent rulings of the Supreme Court, I'd say that The Constitution in general, and more importantly, the Republic, is in deep trouble... Finding things that don't appear in the Constitution as being constitutionally protected, and finding parts of laws that are expressly forbidden in the Constitution to be constitutional, are deeply troubling to me.

Mark

21 posted on 01/24/2004 5:38:08 AM PST by MarkL
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To: GailA
"It's OK if you're a detective on the police force," Clark continued. "But I don't see a requirement for ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons."

??? So what did I miss? Who is advocating that ordinary citizens be "required" to carry concealed weapons?

22 posted on 01/24/2004 5:39:32 AM PST by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Glockslinger
I saw the article and could not believe that the MYTH of gun control was completely debunked on "Prime Time." Do you have an E-Mail address, so we can contact Stossel?
23 posted on 01/24/2004 5:40:44 AM PST by duk
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To: tscislaw; KarlInOhio
My bad: you are both absolutely correct. My memory failed me.

Regards.
24 posted on 01/24/2004 5:41:42 AM PST by TheGeezer
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To: Cacique
bttfl
25 posted on 01/24/2004 5:44:05 AM PST by rmlew (Peaceniks and isolationists are objectively pro-Terrorist)
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To: MarkL
"Finding things that don't appear in the Constitution as being constitutionally protected, and finding parts of laws that are expressly forbidden in the Constitution to be constitutional, are deeply troubling to me."... as it should be. Years ago, I met a woman who tried to tell me about the assault on the Constitution.. at the time I thought her a bit wacky. Now I realize she was right.
26 posted on 01/24/2004 5:46:17 AM PST by Zipporah (Write inTancredo in 2004)
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To: Glockslinger
Stossel goes on to say to say that many states have passed what he refers to as "gun un-control" in the form of concealed carry laws, which have been shown to be an effective deterrent to violent crime. Some women say they're comforted by the new law, according to the report.

This very true but one fact must be remembered and that is gun ownership can only affect the portion of crime against innocent citizens
Biggest majority of Gun related murders that Sarah Brady ET AL are always citing are themselves criminals
Last figures I saw show that over 60% of murder VICTIMS are themselaves CRIMINALS

This should be pointed out whenever the gun grabbers are mouthing off

In addition MOST of these criminal murders are DRUG related . Another wonderful effect of the STUPID WOD
27 posted on 01/24/2004 5:48:36 AM PST by uncbob
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To: SkyPilot
"Translation: they hate his politics but he is good for ratings"

I bet they kiss his butt....they wouldn't want to lose him to Fox!
28 posted on 01/24/2004 5:49:30 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: MarkL
They're deeply troubling to anyone who has half a brain and pays attention.
29 posted on 01/24/2004 5:54:10 AM PST by Sofa King (-I am Sofa King- tired of liberal BS! http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.htm)
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To: Glockslinger
John Stossel is the only person at ABCNNBCBS that I will actively schedule for and change the channel to watch. I'm amazed that he's still in the lamestream media, especially after reading Bernard Goldberg's "Arrogance".
30 posted on 01/24/2004 5:56:22 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Zipporah
""Finding things that don't appear in the Constitution as being constitutionally protected, and finding parts of laws that are expressly forbidden in the Constitution to be constitutional, are deeply troubling to me."... as it should be. Years ago, I met a woman who tried to tell me about the assault on the Constitution.. at the time I thought her a bit wacky. Now I realize she was right."

Funny you mention...

I had a friend tell me the same thing regarding the constitution. He also told me that Europe would unite into one country, and the whole world but the US would turn on Israel.

This was in 1982, and yes, I thought he was crazy.

31 posted on 01/24/2004 5:57:34 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Glockslinger
John Stossel just has to be a short-timer at ABC. There is no way these guys are going to let someone like Stossel keep telling the truth. I'm betting he's at Fox News within 2 years.
32 posted on 01/24/2004 6:30:38 AM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: Glockslinger
Poor guy probably means they are getting ready to set him up for something......
33 posted on 01/24/2004 6:31:33 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Glockslinger
Stossel was excellent last night, and not just in the gun segment. Bumping ...
34 posted on 01/24/2004 6:41:06 AM PST by Phaedrus
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To: Phaedrus
I agree with your assessment. The part on DDT usage was terrific. Maybe DDT will get a reprieve when deaths due to West Nile virus reach epidemic proportions across the country.
35 posted on 01/24/2004 6:48:41 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother ("Never trust a RAT with anything" - Angelwood)
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To: arrow107
Now if only we could clone him and give him the anchor jobs at all three networks, we'd be alright.;-)
36 posted on 01/24/2004 6:51:12 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit. MWAHAHAHAHA.)
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To: Glockslinger
And he made Sharpton look like an idiot not once, but twice.

Of course, that's not hard to do.
37 posted on 01/24/2004 6:54:37 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit. MWAHAHAHAHA.)
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To: Glockslinger
What was the #1 item in the list of 10? I didn't see it, and it was missing on last nite's thread.
38 posted on 01/24/2004 6:55:59 AM PST by DCPatriot
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To: secret garden
I came in on the middle and thought it was a segment on "The Myths of Michael Moore."
39 posted on 01/24/2004 6:58:37 AM PST by lonestar (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: SkyPilot
I heard ABC management and the others on that show really dislike his commentary--but they have to acknowledge that his segments bring in some of the most postive e-mails, letters, and faxes to the show. Translation: they hate his politics but he is good for ratings.

I didn't know that Diane Sawyer was considered "too conservative" by her colleagues until I read Coulters book, Slander. Now Stossel comes out with his hour-long segment to promote his new book. ABC knows that they grabbed a significant viewership last night and I bet they're hoping it will continue.

There is a trend occurring here with television media types snuggling up to conservatives. I don't know about any of you, but I found it kind of queer that Brian Williams had great things to say about Rush Limbaugh on the day of his 15th Anniversary of the EIB Network. And just the other day, I heard Sam Donaldson trashing extreme liberals while sucking up to Sean Hannity on Sean's radio program.

Thank you, Rupert Murdoch, for setting a much needed trend.

40 posted on 01/24/2004 6:59:28 AM PST by LowCountryJoe
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To: DCPatriot
Myth #1: Life is getting worse.

He interviewed kids who said they were scared of getting kidnapped. He said kidnappings are down. They were afraid of getting diseases. He went through illnesses that we'd overcome (1918 flu outbreak). He asked if they'd ever heard of diptheria. Nope. Finally, he took a dive in the East River to prove that it was cleaner than even 15 years ago.
41 posted on 01/24/2004 7:01:07 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit. MWAHAHAHAHA.)
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To: Zipporah
"Finding things that don't appear in the Constitution as being constitutionally protected, and finding parts of laws that are expressly forbidden in the Constitution to be constitutional, are deeply troubling to me."... as it should be. Years ago, I met a woman who tried to tell me about the assault on the Constitution.. at the time I thought her a bit wacky. Now I realize she was right."


I agree. A bit off topic but: Yeaterday, while listening to Gambling on WABC in NY, the topic being the breakdiwn of the SocSec system, I realized (as the host failed to) that SERIOUS breakdown between the governers and the governed may come about as a DIRECT result of the first, or at least one of the first, dismissals of the constitutions authority by the gov't ie; the taking of money NOT YET in the hands of the taxpayer. Only "cranks" (perhaps like your lady friend)knew of this or cared.

But the Founders understood the insidious nature of such a practice and crafted the Constitution accordingly.

Of course in the early 20th century the courts decided..."well who cares...it dosen't matter...bacause...well...just bacause!

Now as the massive social security obligations to the "baby boomers" come due AND THE PEOPLE PAYING THE BILLS (the workers) BEGIN TO LOOK FOR A WAY OUT OF THE TRAP you can bet that the "cranks" will remind them of THE RANK ILLEGALITY of the pay roll tax. The workers will then insist that they be paid their money BEFORE any deductions so that they may REFUSE to pay into the Ponzie scheme we have known as social security. The gov't in the very near future has obligations it cannot meet without either coming up with a new plan or massivly raising payments into the system. (which of those is gov't better at?)

Oh what a tangled web we weave. And the ones who wove this particular web are long in their graves.
42 posted on 01/24/2004 7:02:04 AM PST by TalBlack ("Tal, no song means anything without someone else...")
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To: GailA
Elitist. No surprise here.
43 posted on 01/24/2004 7:04:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Glockslinger
An armed society is a polite society.
44 posted on 01/24/2004 7:07:15 AM PST by ampat (to)
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To: Glockslinger
Fantastic program, as usual per Stossel. He even banged the Republicans for their spending.

I loved the "poverty stricken" gentleman who lived in an apartment with all the amenities, tv, car (iirc),etc....

and the lady US bureaucrat who has decided that DDT can't be used in developing countries where malaria is killing millions, because of long ago perceptions that DDT is unsafe.

45 posted on 01/24/2004 7:20:28 AM PST by chiller (JUDGES is JOB #1)
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To: GailA
"But I don't see a requirement for ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons."

What this idiot thinks is unimportant but this is the thinking of most police chiefs as well.

In many states, the local police chief decides who gets to have a firearm and who doesn't.

THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY HAVING OR CARRYING A GUN!

46 posted on 01/24/2004 7:23:29 AM PST by johnny7 (C'mon! You sons 'o bitches wanna live forever!?)
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To: Glockslinger
"ABC is to be commended..."

WHEN PIGS FLY!

47 posted on 01/24/2004 7:24:25 AM PST by jaz.357 (We should be more open-minded toward people trying to kill us.)
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To: TalBlack
(With no disrespect intended to our departed ChiefN)

"Now as the massive social security obligations to the "baby boomers" come due AND THE PEOPLE PAYING THE BILLS (the workers) BEGIN TO LOOK FOR A WAY OUT OF THE TRAP you can bet that the "cranks" will remind them of THE RANK ILLEGALITY of the pay roll tax.

This is the window through which I have always viewed the NRST boomers.

48 posted on 01/24/2004 7:30:35 AM PST by gnarledmaw
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To: gnarledmaw
The segment concludes by saying, "Many people are horrified at the idea of concealed carry laws, and predict mayhem if all states adopt these laws. But surprise, 36 states already have concealed carry laws, and not one reported an upsurge in gun crime."

Does anyone have the list of 36 states that have concealed carry laws?

49 posted on 01/24/2004 7:34:33 AM PST by itsinthebag
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To: cajungirl
"I am amazed that ABC hasn't tied him up and hidden him in a basement. Truely amazed."

Perhaps Stossel himself packs heat to keep such from happening to him..... 8~)

50 posted on 01/24/2004 7:37:41 AM PST by tracer
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