I'm getting hammered here... need a list of the 350 tax increases Kerry voted for as Senator from Massachusets. President Bush stated this in a campaign speech and now need the back up.
I don't have it but will watch the thread for it to surface. I'd love to shove it down my union co-workers throats.
Just wanted to let you that I have requested the "proof" or documentation for this from National. Will post it when it comes in.
Was just told that the reference is his voting record in the congressional archives, but I asked for something compiled and more specific. Usually this stuff has great references or footnotes. Hopefully, I will hear something back.
bumping this up again... the Left is floating stories to various papers saying that the Bush campaign is lying about the 350 tax increase vote.
Your second link leads to a critique claiming that the Bush campaign lied about Kerry voted to raise taxes 350 times.
"Your second link leads to a critique claiming that the Bush campaign lied about Kerry voted to raise taxes 350 times."
Yes; I know. You asked for the list of the 350 increases (which I provided) for what appeared to be the purpose of making an argument.
I provided the second link only as an FYI for the "rebuttal" which would surely follow.
They are arguing that the list of 350 increases is "padded" and that all 350 are not all actually "increases". I wish I had time to narrow it down, i.e., "OK so he voted to raise taxes 314 times not 350?" LOL !!
Here is the info you needed. If you will freep mail me an email address where I can send an attachment I will send you a printable version. Jan
Subject: Kerry Did, In Fact, Vote Over 350 Times For Higher Taxes RNCResearch@rnchq.org
March 24, 2004
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KERRY DID, IN FACT, VOTE OVER 350 TIMES FOR HIGHER TAXES
Liberal Pundits Cant Escape Kerrys Higher Tax History
Michael Kinsley And Brooks Jackson Buy Kerry Spin,
But RNC Methodology Solid As A Rock
Washington Posts Kinsley Says Shouldnt Count Votes For Tax Increases. Counting tax increases is an absurd way to measure a candidates general propensity on taxes. (Michael Kinsley, Op-Ed, Kerrys 350 Tax Increases, The Washington Post, 3/24/04)
ü But Kinsley Contradicts Himself: If What Matters To You Above All Else Is Paying Fewer Taxes, Youd Be A Fool To Choose Kerry Over Bush. (Michael Kinsley, Op-Ed, Kerrys 350 Tax Increases, The Washington Post, 3/24/04)
Problem Is, Sen. John Kerry Has Voted For Higher Taxes 350 Times. This number includes votes for tax increases, but also includes many other votes against American taxpayers.
Each Vote On A Particular Piece Of Tax Legislation Is Counted. For example, Sen. John Kerry is on record four times against the Presidents 2003 tax cut twice against the non-binding budget resolution (Senate and Conference versions) and twice against the actual tax bill, H.R. 2.
ü Kerry Counts Votes On Budget Resolution When It Suits Him. Well saying it doesnt make it so, George. Uh, and its just not so. Uh, also, uh, John Edwards I notice voted, uh, to give life to George Bushs tax cut, because, uh, he voted for the first round of that tax cut. I did not. I always thought it was a pig in the poke. I thought it was a mistake. (ABCs This Week, 2/22/04; H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #86: Adopted 65-35: R 50-0; D 15-35, 4/6/01, Edwards Voted Yea)
Kinsley Claims Votes Are Counted More Than Once, But He Apparently Was Surfing GOP.com And Got LostKerrys 350 Votes For Higher Taxes Is Not On RNC Website. The documentation on the GOP Web site about Kerrys supposed 350 votes to increase taxes lists only 67 votes for higher taxes. Most of these are votes against a tax cut, not in favor of a tax increase. The 67 include nine votes listed twice, three listed three times, and two listed four times. The logic seems to be that if a bill contains more than one item (as almost all bills do), it counts as separate votes for or against each item. (Michael Kinsley, Op-Ed, Kerrys 350 Tax Increases, The Washington Post, 3/24/04)
ü Kinsley Got His Documents Confused. Is Referring To Another RNC Document. A single vote against, for example, the 2001 tax cut is only counted once. It is not extrapolated out to mean 1) a vote against child tax credit; 2) a vote against marriage penalty relief; 3) a vote against death tax repeal, etc. The RNC may, for other purposes outside counting Sen. Kerrys total number of votes for higher taxes, extrapolate these votes out. But again, it does not do so for the purposes of calculating Sen. Kerrys 350 votes for higher taxes.
Kinsley Implies Some Votes Should Just Be Forgotten. George the youngers first item asserts that In 1995, Kerry Voted For [a] Resolution That Said Middle Class Tax Cuts Were Not Wise. This turns out to be a vote in the midst of that nearly forgotten frenzy, the Gingrich revolution. It was a vote against a particular tax cut of $700 billion, on a resolution declaring with almost tautological justice that subtracting $700 billion from revenue would make it harder to balance the budget. The resolution passed the Republican-controlled House and Senate, but a decade later the Republican president uses it to tar his Democratic opponent. (Michael Kinsley, Op-Ed, Kerrys 350 Tax Increases, The Washington Post, 3/24/04)
ü Sorry, Michael, Vote Was Clearly About The Merits Of Giving Middle Class Tax Cuts. The sense of the Senate amendment, killed on a motion by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), said reducing the deficit should be one of the nations highest priorities, and that a middle-class tax cut would undermine and be inconsistent with the goal of achieving a balanced budget. (H.J. Res. 1, CQ Vote #67: Motion Agreed To 66-32: R 49-3; D 17-29, 2/14/95, Kerry Voted Nay)
ü Vote Analysis Described The Motion This Way: [U]nder No Circumstances Should Congress Give The Middle-Class Any Tax Break In The Next 7 Years. (Senate Republican Policy Committee, Balanced Budget Amendment/Statement Against Tax Cuts, 2/14/95)
Jackson Asks Higher Than What? None of these votes would have resulted in a tax increase, and most of the votes on the Bush lists are like that. Whether they would have resulted in higher taxes depends: higher than what? (Annenberg Political Fact Check Website, Bush Accuses Kerry Of 350 Votes For Higher Taxes Higher Than What? www.factcheck.org, Accessed 3/24/04)
ü Well, Taxes Would Be Higher Than If Kerry Had Voted Other Way.
Jackson Says Numbers Are Padded. On close examination, the Bush campaigns list of Kerrys votes for higher taxes is padded. It includes votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged (when Republicans proposed cuts), and even votes in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts that Bush aides characterized as watered down. (Annenberg Political Fact Check Website, Bush Accuses Kerry Of 350 Votes For Higher Taxes Higher Than What? www.factcheck.org, Accessed 3/24/04)
ü But If Kerry Had Voted Differently On Tax Cuts, American Families Would Be Paying Lower Taxes.
ü And Kerry Cites Votes For Tax Cuts When It Suits Him. KERRY: [W]hen I came to the senate in 1985, the highest rate of tax was 72 percent. I voted to lower it to 28 percent. (Fox News Fox News Sunday, 1/25/04)
If Kerrys Defenders Are Still Interested, Click Here For Complete List Of Sen. Kerrys Votes For Higher Taxes
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