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Friends, Friends With Benefits and the Benefits of the Local Mall (NYT discovers teens can be sluts)
The New York Times ^ | May 30, 2004 | Benoit Denizet-Lewis

Posted on 05/30/2004 1:35:47 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War

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So it's all the Internet's fault? I hate to break it to the New York Times, but I had plenty of friends just like this when I was a teen in the 80s. The only difference is that 90% of them had to use landline phones to communicate.

(I use of the word "sluts" in headline in the unisexual sense.)

By the way, the Times couldn't help slutting up the story themselves. This is the cover of today's Magazine:

The photo is a fraud. Those are professional models, not the kids interviewed in the story. I suppose the actual teens just "aren't photogenic enough." (Though I find the two girls in the photo exceptionally unappealing, and the guys sure don't seem to measure up to any physical standard I hoped to achieve as a teenager.)

1 posted on 05/30/2004 1:35:48 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War

Some days I think the terrorist should win.

I know, I know... I don't relly want that.

But some days....


2 posted on 05/30/2004 1:42:18 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Dont Mention the War

The Slimes are so slow.


3 posted on 05/30/2004 1:44:38 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Dont Mention the War

The baby boomers strike again.

Between their unwillingness to teach their kids right and wrong, their defense of the President that said 810w j0b$ aren't sex and their own spotty record in regard to marriage and divorce, is it any wonder their children are lost generation like something out of cabaret-era Germany?

In about ten years, once the baby boomers start to die in large numbers, hell is going to get very crowded.


4 posted on 05/30/2004 1:47:50 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Dont Mention the War
I agree with you totally.

All the time on FR I hear how this is all Clinton's fault. I agree it has caused it to be more common because it has made it easier to be brazen about sex, but I graduated high school in '88, and we had kids like this too.

I had a good female friend who discovered she liked sex, and she slept with a few guys. Some people thought she was a slut, but I'll tell you, she used the guys more than they used her. (No, we never...).

I went to a good school in a very conservative small town, and this type of thing doesn't really surprise me. No Hooters...no strip clubs...no adult book stores...none of the things we always hear are to blame. It's not a god thing, but it's not a surprise.
5 posted on 05/30/2004 2:12:29 PM PDT by sharktrager (Insanity: To continue repeating the same act, each time expecting a different result.)
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To: nutmeg

Perhaps worth a miscellaneous ping?


6 posted on 05/30/2004 2:12:35 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War
''Both conservatives and liberals have their respective blinders on when talking about teen sexuality,'' says Milburn, co-author of ''Sexual Intelligence.'' ''I can think of nothing more important than getting in schools and talking about sexual intelligence and healthy relationships, but most conservatives don't want an open and honest discussion about teen sexuality, and they oppose any conversation that doesn't focus on abstinence until marriage. And many liberals will resist any discussion that might touch on the negative consequences of unbridled sexuality. The conversation we need to have with teens is: 'What's the role that sexuality should play in an emotionally healthy person's life? What are the different ways that people can be sexual? What are the potential dangers?' ''

Nice try. Conservatives are not to blame for this. Liberals are reaping (or our children are reaping) exactly what they've sown. It's tragic.

7 posted on 05/30/2004 2:46:08 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Dont Mention the War

this is a sad article. I have numerous girls (mostly) who write to me about their hookups and they are all in pain.
Sad.


8 posted on 05/30/2004 2:54:41 PM PDT by mlmr (Poisoning pigeons in the Park............)
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To: Dont Mention the War
''Both conservatives and liberals have their respective blinders on when talking about teen sexuality,'' says Milburn, co-author of ''Sexual Intelligence.'' ''I can think of nothing more important than getting in schools and talking about sexual intelligence and healthy relationships, but most conservatives don't want an open and honest discussion about teen sexuality, and they oppose any conversation that doesn't focus on abstinence until marriage. And many liberals will resist any discussion that might touch on the negative consequences of unbridled sexuality. The conversation we need to have with teens is: 'What's the role that sexuality should play in an emotionally healthy person's life? What are the different ways that people can be sexual? What are the potential dangers?'

Funny how those nutty abstinence-only wait-til-marriage conservatives have the only answer that prevents STDs.

9 posted on 05/30/2004 3:02:40 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: El Sordo; All

I hear you.

Between this story and the Washingtonienne story of last weekend, I feel totally lost and out-of-place.

I guess I am an old man at 44.

If we are blessed enough to defeat the terrorists, what will be left to hold and cherish, if we simply treat others as interchangable parts?

This weekend, it seems particular affecting, with the dedication of the World War Two memorial on the Mall.

Maybe WW2 was the last time we all as a nation really had to grow up?

With each passing decade since, growing up has become easier to avoid.

Now, those younger than I am prefer to "hook up," and life just rolls merrily along.

The "bridge to the 21st century" has brought us to perpetual adolescence.

Sorry to be so down, but only this story and the washingtonienne stories from last weekend have left me so emotionally hopeless and numb.

They aren't big stories.

But they seem to give nothing to fight.

It is like some sort of giant fog has come into the country, arrested all of our kids, and given us no enemy to combat, no foe except this inescapable fog.

When I see our kids living like this, it just saddens me. It is as if we have devolved into animals, and have become obsolete.

For example, compare the text messaging, cell phoning, and instant messaging which is referred to in this story, to the incredibly heartfelt letters written by the everyday soldiers on both sides of the Civil War (as shown in Ken Burns' recent documentary).

Compare now to then, and tell me which group holds life more precious?

I guess things will have to get worse before they get better.

I guess we, as a society, must face the sort of challenge that forces up to shake off the giant fog, bond together, and fight for our freedom and liberty.

Only such a crisis, one I hope never to see, will break the cycle of adolescence, and make us, once again, reclaim our uniqueness as humans, different from the animals, capable of so many greater things.

It is this sort of thing that makes we worry, that gives me cause for concern.

What do y'all think?


10 posted on 05/30/2004 3:09:48 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (Support the President - wear the Baseball Cap - display the Bumper Sticker - http://www.ilovew.com .)
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To: GodBlessPeggyNoonan

You have stated it quite eloquently.

I can only agree.


11 posted on 05/30/2004 3:18:51 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"Liberals are reaping (or our children are reaping) exactly what they've sown. It's tragic."

Yes, yes, yes, and these children will loathe and perhaps even hate their parents once they learn how they have failed them. There may well be a socially conservative tidal wave bubbling up from the under-25 crowd.


12 posted on 05/30/2004 3:25:37 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: Dont Mention the War
Boy: What are you doing other than not talking to me?
Melissa: Nothing at all. . . .
Boy: Wow, you're as bored as I am?!? . . .
Melissa: Booooooooored.
Boy: lol. Yup. Life is good. lol.
Melissa: Freakin' fantastic. Lemme tell ya.
Boy: I wish you lived like next door. . . . It would be so much easier. . . . Like I don't know about you, but I wanna [expletive].
Melissa: U always wanna [expletive].
Boy: True.
Melissa: Haha.
Boy: But that's cuz we've been talking about it and haven't done it. It's built up.
Melissa: That's bc u haven't picked me up yet silly. . . . Well I'm gonna go lay down. U know my number and where I live if things work out soon.
Boy: Hey wait. If I can do you wanna come over?
Melissa: Sure. So just call me.
Boy: Do you have condoms?
Melissa: Yes dear.
Boy: Hold on.
Melissa: I'm holding.
Boy: I can come get you right now if you want.
Melissa: Um gimme a sec. . . .
Boy: O.K.?? I'll come get you now if you're ready. . . .
Melissa: But I'm gonna be boring tonite . . . and I'm just telling u I'm not in the mood for nething but str8-up sex.

Good thing they're able to inflict the death penalty on any children who dare to be conceived as a result of their actions.

God help us, if this is the norm in today's youth... If I EVER find my daughter doing anything like this, I don't know what we'll do... One thing is for sure: She will not be growing up with much TV, which makes this crap seem (and has helped made it become) normal.

It makes me very, very angry, to see the cause of so many societal problems treated in such a cavalier manner.

13 posted on 05/30/2004 4:14:33 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: GodBlessPeggyNoonan
Excellent post!

When I see our kids living like this, it just saddens me. It is as if we have devolved into animals, and have become obsolete.

They're being taught that they are animals. Animals with uncrontrollable urges. Animals who "are going to do it anyways" and ought therefore to have condom access.

My sad emotions are laced with a healthy dose of anger at the injustice related to this type of behavior, esp. with regard to the unborn who pay for the "mistakes" of their parents' "hooking up" with their lives.

14 posted on 05/30/2004 4:20:47 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom; Blood of Tyrants
Culture-of-life ping.

(This is a ping list for topics related to the cultural realities that make abortion-on-demand a perceived need in our society. To be added or removed, FReepmail me.)

15 posted on 05/30/2004 4:33:22 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: litany_of_lies

Perhaps, but the 'free'trade polices of both parties may crush that tidal wave before it starts.


16 posted on 05/30/2004 5:28:13 PM PDT by inflation (Cuba = BAD, China = Good? Why, should not both be treated the way Cuba is?)
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To: Dont Mention the War; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

We have some local boys that hooked up with friends of one of the sisters of the boys, and they(boys) are facing 10 yrs in jail and being labeled as sexual predators for life.

They were kicked off the baseball team. I don't know if they will be able to play football. All the girls made the varsity cheer squad. No downside for the girls.

By all accounts, and from the mouths of two of the girls mom's, the girls were the aggressors.

Getting head in GA when underage is risky.

FYI Girls 14 Boys 15-16.


17 posted on 05/30/2004 5:46:37 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (We step on pissants in Georgia.)
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To: GodBlessPeggyNoonan; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Maybe WW2 was the last time we all as a nation really had to grow up?

Maybe so, but these war heroes raised the kids that are the parents of this generation. The WWII heroes came back home as hell raisers and role models, both for good and bad. I agree that things have gotten screwy, but we can only raise our own kids. Then try and be an influence on the others.

18 posted on 05/30/2004 5:53:21 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Good girls do it too.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

I was womdering why this doesn't happen more often, given that frosh-soph girls are going after and being sought by college guys.

It does seem unfair that under-18 sluts who know d*** well what they are doing usually can get off (so to speak) scot-free.

This hooking-up thing would also appear to be a great opportunity for real sexual predators and more violent types to ply their trade. There seem to be no precautions taken for safety's sake.


19 posted on 05/30/2004 6:53:10 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Is that story being covered in the news at all?


20 posted on 05/30/2004 8:47:33 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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