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THINNER GRUEL (Joe Wilson)
NROTC ^ | 7/16/04 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 07/16/2004 2:39:22 PM PDT by swilhelm73

THINNER GRUEL [Jonah Goldberg]

Salon.com has a "defense" of Joe Wilson. For the most part, the piece is a dull, he-said she-said about the controversy so far, generally sympathetic to Wilson, with some sneaky bits hid in the dull prose in order to make them seem more reasonable. For example the author, Mary Jacoby, says "But no sale of uranium ever took place, Wilson reported, and that conclusion is not in dispute." That's true, but Bush never said Iraq purchased the uranium, he merely said Iraq sought it. Wilson said Iraq didn't and that his cryptic sweet-tea swilling conversations proved it. That's the part that's in dispute. Nobody sent Wilson to Africa because they thought Iraq actually obtained the uranium. This is a back-handed way of bolstering Wilson's "credibility" in an area where it was never questioned. Wilson, by the way, also contends that Africa is by and large a very hot contintent with many exotic animals. That conclusion is not in dispute either.

Another minor cheap bit is the author's positive gloss on the memo from Plame touting her husband. Jacoby writes:

The report also quotes an internal CIA memo written by Wilson's wife, Plame, stating: "my husband has good relations with both the PM (prime minister) and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." Based on Plame's internal memo and other evidence, three Republicans -- Roberts and Sens. Orrin Hatch of Utah and Kit Bond of Missouri -- wrote additional views appended to the report, concluding that "the plan to send the former ambassador to Niger was suggested" by Plame.The three GOP senators criticized their Democratic counterparts on the panel for refusing to endorse this conclusion. In his letter to the committee, Wilson disputed the Republican senators' characterization. "There is no suggestion or recommendation in that statement that I be sent on the trip," he wrote. A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment. In an interview, Wilson said that his wife was stating facts about his background, not pushing that he go to Niger.

Two things: First, if I declare I really need a great personal assistant and someone sends me an email saying "My husband can type 150 words per minute. He's very well organized, sharp and has great research skills" -- that would strike me as an effort to push her husband for the job. Second, Jacoby notes that Wilson disputes the memo's significance. What about "the other evidence" used to draw the conclusion Plame touted Wilson for the job?

Anyway, there are a few other clever sentences like that in the piece. But the only truly annoying assertion is in the opening. The author begins:

Choreographed editorials and Op-Ed pieces on Thursday in the Wall Street Journal and National Review and by conservative columnist Robert Novak signaled the revving up of a Republican campaign to discredit former ambassador Joseph Wilson and his claims that President Bush trumpeted flimsy intelligence in the drive to invade Iraq. "Choreographed"? Where does Jacoby get this? Where is the evidence? Consider the irony for a moment. The whole debate about "Bush lied," WMDs, etc. is about whether or not various facts and developments were intentional or not. Were all of the CIA mistakes actually lies? Was every thing which went wrong done on purpose? And here Salon blithely asserts that conservatives colluded to attack Wilson upon the release of this report.

I know, I know, the Salon style manual seems to insist that all inconvenient arguments from the Right are coordinated for maximum effect. Sidney Blumenthal is their Washington Editor after all. But, seriously, where is the evidence for this? As someone fairly deep inside the "right wing attack machine" or whatever those guys call it this week, I can tell you for a fact that I saw no coordination. Most of the reaction was initially driven by bloggers (including yours truly). Salon should know that you can't "choreograph" bloggers. And I defy them to prove that Bob Novak was being choreographed. That's just flatly dumb and defies common sense. Is Jacoby lying on orders from Blumenthal? Or is she simply imagining things? I mean, come on, there is some actual merit to the case that Wilson deliberately lied for partisan reasons about some of the most serious issues imagineable. That's pretty much been proven. The case that Bush lied, meanwhile, continues to fall apart.

UPDATE Jacoby was Wes Clark's press secretary.

Posted at 12:00 PM


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004; 200407; alabama; australia; blumenthal; clark; collusion; fusiongps; glennsimpson; glensimpson; jacoby; joewilson; josephwilson; judgemoore; kla; maryjacoby; marymaxwell; maxwell; moore; narcoterrorism; niger; nigerflap; novak; peterfritsch; plamenamegame; saloncom; sessions; sidblumenthal; sidneyblumenthal; uranium; valerieplame; wesleyclark; yellowcake
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1 posted on 07/16/2004 2:39:25 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

You can stick a fork in Wilson.


2 posted on 07/16/2004 2:45:47 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: swilhelm73
Don't forget that Sid's going on the cruise with Joe.

Salon Cruise with Joe Wilson

3 posted on 07/16/2004 2:48:38 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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To: Jalapeno
You can stick a fork in Wilson.

Unless he has the same staying power as Salon. Its backers are probably just keeping it up until the election is over.

4 posted on 07/16/2004 2:49:44 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: swilhelm73
Sid "The Knife", Joe Con-everyone, Ann "foot in mouth"--WOW

WADACRUISE

5 posted on 07/16/2004 2:53:23 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: Jalapeno

Doesn't matter. The damage is already done, the big lie worked. The day you see "Press Lied in accusing Bush of Lying" in the majors' headlines, you can consider it a victory in this episode. That day will never come.


6 posted on 07/16/2004 2:53:32 PM PDT by blanknoone (The NAACP --->NAADP National Association for the Advancement of the Democrat Party.)
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To: xm177e2
Money can prop almost anything up, and he of course will continue to make money telling a certain segment of the population what they want to hear.

But I suspect anyone who is still trying to get somewhere in the future will drop their connections with him fast.

7 posted on 07/16/2004 2:55:35 PM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Shermy
FYI ping.

Note, in particular, who Jacoby used to work for...

8 posted on 07/16/2004 3:24:47 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: swilhelm73
Wilson deserves every attack for public dishonesty that comes his way. Valerie Plame deserves the same. So does Squid Blumenthal. And so does Jacoby. And lastly, why hasn't salon.com gpne under from the wieght of its unpaid debts?

For a broader attack on what Wilson stands for, click below.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "John Kerry & John Edwards: You've GOT to be Kidding"

9 posted on 07/16/2004 3:32:13 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: blanknoone
Doesn't matter. The damage is already done, the big lie worked.

Cheer up. The damage is not done. Goodness, what gloom.

10 posted on 07/16/2004 3:53:46 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: swilhelm73

Could it be that someone sitting in the Senate or married to someone in the Senate set this whole scam in motion????


11 posted on 07/16/2004 4:05:21 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Yes, it could be....


12 posted on 07/16/2004 4:07:09 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: Just mythoughts
I think names should be named. After all, the NYT prints rumors as news (i.e.: Cheney being replaced).

If the names happen to be wrong, we can use the excuse the leftists do -- BUT, OUR INTENTIONS WERE GOOD!

13 posted on 07/16/2004 4:53:27 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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To: swilhelm73

Libs are furiously denying the omelette that is all over their lying faces. They can wipe it off and eat it with their crow sandwich. Hey, Al Franken, about Joe Wilson, there's another lying liar you can add to your list.


14 posted on 07/16/2004 5:02:22 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Good idea!

I pick Hillry, she has the most intimate connections, from DOJ, CIA and White House.....
15 posted on 07/16/2004 5:48:19 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Jalapeno

"You can stick a fork in Wilson."

No thanks. I would prefer a wooden stake.......


16 posted on 07/16/2004 6:19:03 PM PDT by rockrr ("If this were a perfect world, Democrats would just be a bad memory - like Typhoid")
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To: cyncooper

It isn't quite gloom, I think the President will still win re-election. But that editor at Newsweak was right...the press is good for 15 points against Bush. They will have at least succeeded in turning a Reaganesque blowout into a fairly close run thing.

Elections are decided by 'the middle' they heard loud and clear that 'Bush lied' 'Bush Mislead the American people' 'those 16 words' and most of them will never hear or recognize that it was Bush who told the truth and his accusers and the press who were lying. The damage was done. It was not fatal, but it was damage.


17 posted on 07/17/2004 12:04:17 AM PDT by blanknoone (The NAACP --->NAADP National Association for the Advancement of the Democrat Party.)
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To: swilhelm73

Q: Liberal?

A: Think of a Conservative. Take away reason and accountability.


18 posted on 07/17/2004 12:17:51 AM PDT by Stallone (Make love not war! ~ Lynndie England)
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To: swilhelm73; Fedora; Liz
Salon.com has a "defense" of Joe Wilson. For the most part, the piece is a dull, he-said she-said about the controversy so far, generally sympathetic to Wilson, with some sneaky bits hid in the dull prose in order to make them seem more reasonable. For example the author, Mary Jacoby, says "But no sale of uranium ever took place, Wilson reported, and that conclusion is not in dispute." That's true, but Bush never said Iraq purchased the uranium, he merely said Iraq sought it. Wilson said Iraq didn't and that his cryptic sweet-tea swilling conversations proved it. That's the part that's in dispute. Nobody sent Wilson to Africa because they thought Iraq actually obtained the uranium. This is a back-handed way of bolstering Wilson's "credibility" in an area where it was never questioned. Wilson, by the way, also contends that Africa is by and large a very hot contintent with many exotic animals. That conclusion is not in dispute either.

Mary Jacoby is the spouse of Fusion GPS's Glenn Simpson of the bogus Golden Showers / Trump Dossier

19 posted on 08/01/2017 8:18:47 PM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa

Makes me wonder if it might not just be Russians here but French intelligence meddling in US elections too.


20 posted on 08/01/2017 8:22:50 PM PDT by piasa
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