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Andrew Sullivan: "The Impact on Gays" ("Rove understood American psyche better than I did")
andrewsullivan.com ^ | Nov. 3 04 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 11/03/2004 9:56:55 AM PST by churchillbuff

THE IMPACT ON GAYS: I've been trying to think of what to say about what appears to be the enormous success the Republicans had in using gay couples' rights to gain critical votes in key states. In eight more states now, gay couples have no relationship rights at all. Their legal ability to visit a spouse in hospital, to pass on property, to have legal protections for their children has been gutted. If you are a gay couple living in Alabama, you know one thing: your family has no standing under the law; and it can and will be violated by strangers. I'm not surprised by this. When you put a tiny and despised minority up for a popular vote, the minority usually loses. But it is deeply, deeply dispiriting nonetheless. A lot of gay people are devastated this morning, and terrified. We have seen, and not for the first time, how using fear of a minority can be so effective a tool in building a political movement. The single most important issue for Republican voters, according to exit polls, was not the war on terror or Iraq or the economy. It was "moral values." Karl Rove understood the American psyche better than I did. By demonizing gay couples, the Republicans were able to bring in whole swathes of new anti-gay believers into their party. With new senators Jim DeMint and Tom Coburn, two of the most anti-gay politicians in America, we can only brace ourselves for what is now coming.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barebacker; bitterbarebacker; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; stdfactory; values
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1 posted on 11/03/2004 9:56:57 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Really? You mean Karl Rove actually does something besides staring at another man's rear-end all day?
Imagine what you'll see when you change your view, Andrea.


2 posted on 11/03/2004 9:57:54 AM PST by mabelkitty (Blackwell for Governor in 2006!!!)
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To: churchillbuff

The story was not about gays at all. It was about security. "Gays" simply assisted with the popular vote. "security" assisted the wins in Ohio and Florida. Jeeze, Andrew, you used to be good at this.


3 posted on 11/03/2004 9:58:15 AM PST by mudblood
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To: churchillbuff
Karl Rove understood the American psyche better than I did.

Who doesn't...?

4 posted on 11/03/2004 9:58:38 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: churchillbuff

Poor Andrew. His entire life revolves around his sex life.


5 posted on 11/03/2004 9:58:46 AM PST by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: churchillbuff

Sorry, Andrew. Nobody's "demonizing gays" -- or at least the Republican Party isn't. Standing up for the traditional definition of marriage isn't "demonizing" anyone. To the contrary, you're doing the "demonizing" by hurling the slur of bigotry (because that's what you're implying by the "d" word) at people who want marriage to remain as it has since its inception.


6 posted on 11/03/2004 9:59:14 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Sullivan needs to get a grip on something other than his pillow. America doesn't want rampant, unapologetic homosexuality; if Sullivan wants that he can go to France.


7 posted on 11/03/2004 9:59:18 AM PST by thoughtomator (First, let's shoot all the lawyers)
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To: mabelkitty

the extreme homosexual activist left doesn't realize the more they try and shove their lifestyle down America's throat the more drastic the rejection. If they'd just abide by the old "don't ask, don't tell" and been content with civil unions vs. demanding a rewrite of marriage, they'd not have themselves to blame and, instead, have to subject themselves to logical subsitutions for their losses.


8 posted on 11/03/2004 9:59:55 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: churchillbuff

From an earlier post.

Washington Blade ^ | 11/03/04 | Chris Crain
Perhaps the most surprising news for gay observers of the presidential election is that exit polls show President Bush received the exact same percentage of gay votes — 23 percent — as he did four years ago. This despite the president's vocal support for a federal constitutional amendment banning gay marraige. According to the CNN exit poll, 4 percent of all voters identified as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the same percentage as four years ago, at least as reported by ABC News that year. By comparison, 11 percent of voters were black, 9 percent were Latino, 2 percent were Asian...


9 posted on 11/03/2004 10:00:01 AM PST by peyton randolph (Time for Bush to pack the U.S. Supremes)
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To: churchillbuff

Sullivan sure has become a one-note Nancy.

He should rename his site "Queer Eye for the Conservative Guy."


10 posted on 11/03/2004 10:00:17 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: churchillbuff

Queers have the same marriage rights as the rest of us: the right to marry a member of the opposite sex.


The rest is spin and filthy propaganda and a pack of lies.


11 posted on 11/03/2004 10:00:18 AM PST by Petronski (Kerry cannot have lost....the Redskins won on Sunday!)
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To: churchillbuff
Dear Andrew

You dream of other men's rectums

There is probably a lot of stuff that Karl Rove understands better than you

12 posted on 11/03/2004 10:00:25 AM PST by jscd3
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To: mudblood
The story was not about gays at all. It was about security."""

Wrong. Look at the "internals" of the exit polls. Values -- abortion, marriage, cultural issues - ranked at or near the top for a large proportion of voters, and those voters went with the GOP. It's these issues, for example, that put Thune over the top in South Dakota.

13 posted on 11/03/2004 10:00:40 AM PST by churchillbuff
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What children? Hello? Buy yourself a biology book Andrew. Some children of heterosexuals get unlucky enough to be stuck in homes where adults are immoral. They get the same gov't attention that children of single parents get.


14 posted on 11/03/2004 10:00:53 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: mabelkitty
You mean Karl Rove actually does something besides staring at another man's rear-end all day?

You know what they say, if you're not the lead-dog, the view never changes. ;)

16 posted on 11/03/2004 10:01:33 AM PST by January24th
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To: churchillbuff

Dear Andrew;

Blow out your backside, sweetie.


17 posted on 11/03/2004 10:02:20 AM PST by CFC__VRWC (It's not evidence of wrongdoing just because Democrats don't like the outcome.)
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To: churchillbuff

Homosexuals: crawl back into your sewers and take your agenda with you.


18 posted on 11/03/2004 10:02:25 AM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: mabelkitty

This guy is just another out of touch pundit not looking for answers from the people but blame.


19 posted on 11/03/2004 10:02:27 AM PST by Shermy
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To: mudblood

Talk about fuhking up! The status quo was better for gays than what they got now. Sometimes it is best to leave well enough alone. If the gay would be satisfied with tolerance, things would be okay, but they want ACCEPTANCE! Acceptance whether you want to accept them or not. Repudiation is what they got instead.


20 posted on 11/03/2004 10:02:35 AM PST by speed_addiction (Ninja's last words, "Hey guys. Watch me just flip out on that big dude over there!")
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