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Suicide bombings not jihad, say hard-line groups
The Jakarta Post ^ | 12/5/05 | Tiarma Siboro

Posted on 12/05/2005 9:30:07 AM PST by Valin

Islamic hard-line groups joined the chorus of condemnation on Sunday against militants who used suicide bombings to wage jihad in the world's most populous Muslim country. However, the groups called for a dialog between them and other Muslim leaders, along with the government to discuss jihad, as they said the war on terror had tarnished their image.

At a seminar attended by leaders of the Indonesian Mujahiddin Assembly (MMI), Hisbuth Tahrir, the Islam Defender Front (FPI) and several other hard-line groups, they agreed that suicide bomb attacks could not be accepted as jihad. "It's because the attackers have committed suicide in Indonesia, which is not a conflict zone," MMI leader Abu Jibril argued.

The seminar specifically discussed the series of suicide bombings in the country, blamed widely on members of the Jamaah Islamiyah (JI) terror group.

According to Jibril, Muslims are allowed only to launch suicide attacks for self-defense. "The recent suicide bombings were out of the context of Islamic holy war because they (the attackers) attacked target instead of defending themselves from threats, such as aggression," he said.

The MMI was founded by extremist cleric Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, who was in April convicted of a being involved in the conspiracy that led to the 2002 bombings in Bali, which killed 202 people -- mostly Western tourists. Jibril has taken over the MMI's leadership as Ba'asyir, who also heads the Al-Mukmin Islamic boarding school in Ngruki, Surakarta, Central Java, is serving a 30-month jail term in Jakarta's Cipinang prison. Police also accused Ba'asyir of leading Jamaah Islamiyah, but the court was not convinced. Similarly, Achmad Junaidi Ath-Thayibiy of the Hizbuth Tahrir said the recent terror attacks in the country by suicide bombers were haram (forbidden under Islam), and could not be considered as jihad.

Once again, he stressed that Indonesia was not a conflict zone. "The Koran sets a condition before Muslims can wage holy war and die as martyrs, namely it must be defensive, not offensive, in nature, and the target must be clear. "If the attackers target the U.S. and its allies as their enemies, they must not victimize women, children and other innocent people," Achmad told the seminar, which was also attended by former chairman of the Indonesian Communion of Churches (PGI), Rev. Nathan Setiabudi.

Imams have also strongly condemned the suicide bombings as un-Islamic, saying the terrorists had misinterpreted Koranic verses on jihad to launch the attacks. Nahdlatul Ulama leader Hasyim Muzadi asked the government and Muslim leaders to sit down together to talk about the true concept of jihad in an effort to ensure the success of the national campaign against terror.

The Indonesian Ulema Council (MUI) ended a two-day national meeting here on Sunday with a decision to strengthen its stance against terrorism. "We are planning to facilitate a meeting of all religious groups, be they hard-line or moderate ones, to find a clear definition of jihad. Of course, our stance is clear that we are against terror because Indonesia is not a battle zone for jihad or suicide attacks," MUI deputy chairman Ma'ruf Amin, who was appointed to lead the antiterror task force, told The Jakarta Post. He said the MUI would reissue its 2003 fatwa that outlaws all acts of terror.

The council, however, criticized the security authorities for stigmatizing hard-line groups and a number of Islamic boarding schools. Last week, the National Intelligence Agency (BIN) said that as part of the fight against terrorism, it would infiltrate radical groups in order to destroy their organizations from within.


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: indonesia; jamaahislamiyah

1 posted on 12/05/2005 9:30:08 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
According to Jibril, Muslims are allowed only to launch suicide attacks for self-defense. "The recent suicide bombings were out of the context of Islamic holy war because they (the attackers) attacked target instead of defending themselves from threats, such as aggression," he said.

Wow. That probably means no virgins. Bummer.

2 posted on 12/05/2005 9:32:49 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: Valin
Islamic hard-line groups joined the chorus of condemnation on Sunday against militants who used suicide bombings to wage jihad in the world's most populous Muslim country. However, the groups called for a dialog between them and other Muslim leaders, along with the government to discuss jihad, as they said the war on terror had tarnished their image.

I feel like I'm insane after reading that.

3 posted on 12/05/2005 9:32:49 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Valin

Who gives a d@mn for their stupid terminology? They are a cancer, and they are probably beginning to see themselves doomed.

Someone once mentioned here that Indonesia is having a growing underground de-Islamisation movement.


4 posted on 12/05/2005 9:34:25 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Valin
..... they agreed that suicide bomb attacks could not be accepted as jihad. "It's because the attackers have committed suicide in Indonesia, which is not a conflict zone," MMI leader Abu Jibril argued.

Well, that settles that then.

Jihad Al.Moonbat
5 posted on 12/05/2005 9:35:59 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Valin

Arabs consider themselves the only true Muslims. That the Koran must be read in the original Arabic. What Indonesian Muslims opine is irrelevant. Non Arab Muslims complain about this supremacist attitude of their Arab Muslim "brothers"


6 posted on 12/05/2005 9:37:32 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Valin
Shhhh . . .

Don't talk about what they yell just before they kill inosent people.

7 posted on 12/05/2005 9:38:58 AM PST by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans.)
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To: Valin

"If the attackers target the U.S. and its allies as their enemies, they must not victimize women, children and other innocent people"

8 posted on 12/05/2005 9:45:53 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Attack (Democrats) until they stop twitching and then attack some more." -J. Peter Mulhern)
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To: Valin
Thanks to our aggressive policy of "The Offense" we are witnessing the self destruction not only of the terrorists but of islam itself.

This is the good news.

The bad news is some of these idiots are starting to figure it out.

9 posted on 12/05/2005 9:51:03 AM PST by moasicwolf
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To: Valin; dennisw; CarrotAndStick; manwiththehands
At a seminar attended by leaders of the Indonesian Mujahiddin Assembly (MMI), Hisbuth Tahrir, the Islam Defender Front (FPI) and several other hard-line groups, they agreed that suicide bomb attacks could not be accepted as jihad. "It's because the attackers have committed suicide in Indonesia, which is not a conflict zone," MMI leader Abu Jibril argued. According to Jibril, Muslims are allowed only to launch suicide attacks for self-defense.

BARF!!!

Its because muslims are killing other muslims and not the filthy kuffar!

Definition of Jihad, from one of Hizbut Tahrirs own websites:

“Victory is beautiful but it will be more beautiful to fulfil the pledges. The smallest Jihaad is over and the biggest Jihaad is ahead.”

This expression of ‘the smaller Jihaad to the bigger Jihaad’ has been used time and time again to diminish the importance, reward and requirement for the Muslims to perform Jihaad Fi Sabeel Lillah i.e. physical struggle...

...the saying and actions of Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) show that Jihaad definitely is to start (offensive) fighting the kuffar to make the Words of Allah the highest and to propagate (da’wa) the call of Islam. Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:

"I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that, ‘there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger’ and they establish the prayer and the zakat. And if they do this, then from me is protected their blood and their wealth except by the right granted by Allah."

As for his (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) actions, they are full of actions that show Jihaad is to start the fighting. So when he went out to Badr to take the caravan belonging to the Quraysh, this was going out to fight, this is offensive – as Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) initiated the action before the Quraysh. Likewise, when Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) invaded Hawazin in the battle of Hunayn, when he (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) seiged Ta’if and the battle of Mutah to fight the Romans and the Battle of Tabuk – all of these are evidences to show that Jihaad is to start fighting kuffar (offensive). This should clarify the erroneous view that in origin Jihaad is defensive...


10 posted on 12/05/2005 10:02:37 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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The council, however, criticized the security authorities for stigmatizing hard-line groups and a number of Islamic boarding schools. Last week, the National Intelligence Agency (BIN) said that as part of the fight against terrorism, it would infiltrate radical groups in order to destroy their organizations from within.

And here's the reason for the meeting & statement. Well that and the fact they got their heads handed to them in the last election.


11 posted on 12/05/2005 8:15:53 PM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: Valin
Both Malaysia and Indonesia have become more "radicalized" (ie, "reverting" to islams origins) in recent years. The ruling parties understand this and take measures to cling onto power and deny them electoral success.

Malaysian and Indonesian elections have never been fair, or without intimidation. In more "moderate" Malaysia for eg, UMNO would have fallen apart long ago without intimidation and its authoritarian policies. What also seems to be happening is the anti-government purists do not have a cohesive united front and their votes are split now, more than ever.

The danger I see here, is brought up in this line of the article:

However, the groups called for a dialog between them and other Muslim leaders, along with the government to discuss jihad, as they said the war on terror had tarnished their image.

They are changing their strategy, reorganizing themselves and uniting.

12 posted on 12/06/2005 11:04:02 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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