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To: ModelBreaker
"Result, I am engaging Bulgarians who do a really professional job at spec'ing the job and writing the code for less than half the price charged by American programmers who don't finish their jobs or kludged them.

The reality is, world supply of programmers has outpaced demand and American programmers are overpriced. American programmers got used to $75,000 starting salaries and developed a sense of entitlement during the 90's. At those prices and with those attitudes they are uncompetitive."

So what you are saying is that American programmers should have to compete with Third World labor. And since they are "spec'ing" the job, you are not hiring them as employees anyway.

How much money do YOU make? Maybe an Indian or Bulgarian could do it better for less money. Will YOU go quietly, or will having YOUR ox gored make you think twice about throwing your country under the bus to make your boss richer.

You Globalists have to be the most short sighted people on earth. What made this country unique in the world post war was our large middle class and upwardly mobile society. This is how we won the cold war. Globalization isn't leveling the playing field by bringing up the third world. It is leveling the playing field by bringing down the first. You have to be blind not to see that.
16 posted on 10/05/2006 8:28:40 PM PDT by outdriving (Diversity is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.)
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To: outdriving
How much money do YOU make? Maybe an Indian or Bulgarian could do it better for less money. Will YOU go quietly, or will having YOUR ox gored make you think twice about throwing your country under the bus to make your boss richer.

If an Indian business does a better job at the services I provide or is as good at a better price, then I'm out of business. I own a small business. I'm not a globalist--if I could eliminate foreign competition, I would. I'm like any capitalist, I would love to have a monopoly of some kind--against any competion, foreign or otherwise. But I don't.

I provide services internationally and have to be able to compete internationally. I have no choice. I have to be price competitive and I am.

Would my ox be gored if I went out of business? I hope I'm a bigger man than that. Nobody's entitled to a $75,000 a year job. Nobody's entitled to have their business stay in business. Nobody's entitled to have the world stay the same for their entire career and to have demand for their services increase steadily throughout their life.

Learning a skill for employment is risk taking just like going into business. It's just that businessmen are more honest with themselves about the risks they take. If you train to make swords, guns come along and make you obsolete. If you train in COBOL, along comes Java and C# and you are obsolete. You either adapt or whine.

Anyone who expects guarantees in life is a democrat or a foolish republican. Do I wish it worked another way? Sure. Does it? Nope. So no sense complaining. As my wife says when disappointment happens, "Suit up, show up, and shut up about it."

18 posted on 10/05/2006 9:17:43 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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