When I get older and more feeble I will carry -- permit or not.

There are too many young barbarians running loose today and I will not be their victim.

He's moved into an age group that is vulnerable. I agree with him completely. Don't wait until it's too late to make the decision to defend yourself.

It is the rise of the barbarian class in America that forces us all to examine the need to defend ourselves. Miss Right will be opening a box under the tree tomorrow morning containing a Galco concealed carry purse and a Smith & Wesson in the center pocket. Concealed carry class starts next week.

He has made a good decision to arm himself, but I don't think I'd endanger myself in a "tussle" over somebody stealing from a construction site, armed or unarmed. If they're stealing "stuff", most especially if it's not my "stuff", that's not worth the risk of either getting shot myself or having to shoot someone else. "The best way to survive a gunfight is to avoid a gunfight", so I ain't going looking for one over a pile of 2 by 4s.

He has made a good decision to arm himself, but I don't think I'd endanger myself in a "tussle" over somebody stealing from a construction site, armed or unarmed. If they're stealing "stuff", most especially if it's not my "stuff", that's not worth the risk of either getting shot myself or having to shoot someone else. "The best way to survive a gunfight is to avoid a gunfight", so I ain't going looking for one over a pile of 2 by 4s.

Hope you're not a Texan. I'm 57 and in ill health and every couple of months I find myself explaining the law to some 20-35 year old. At my size, and with my temper, most still back off and while I do carry I've NEVER needed to pull the damn thing. If I die, so be it, I will not sit around and watch thieves and the ill mannered take over, I will not go quietly.

Lucky for me, with my health, TWfromTexas now drives me most places and has a better attitude than I do, and often calms me down. When he can't, he is an excellent backup!

There is no doubt he is right. Most of us seniors are to old to fight and to arthritic to run. Since there is no "right to carry law" in Maryland we are always getting mugged or worse. But we have lots of gun laws.

I remember an incident years ago where some clown was trying to rob a restaurant (probably in Florida), and he was foiled when a gaggle of gun-toting geezers drew down on him.

I hope you stay safe. Although I am armed at all times, I choose not to put myself at risk like that unless the lives or personal safety of myself or another innocent person is threatened.

The headline implies that 60 is some sort of point of being old or too old. Like 60 year olds are all small and weak.

While some are, many are not. I am all for you old folks carrying concealed weapons... to your JOBS!...until you retire in your 90's!

Just a little holiday cheer from a 30 something.

Too bad TX.gov makes one get a "permit" to exercise a RIGHT.

Don' carry a knife to a gun fight.

When I was 40 and inline skating 100 miles per week, there was a 60 year old who could easily outrun me. He was competitive with most of the people who could manage 18 to 20 minutes for the 5 mile loop around Miramar Lake in San Diego.

--agreed--as I approach middle age (I'm 66) it also seems that it might be prudent (sly smile) to be sure and have some firepower not appearing on any governmental lists, just in case there is a major change in thinking on firearms ownership, given Demotraitor control of Congress---

He has made a good decision to arm himself, but I don't think I'd endanger myself in a "tussle" over somebody stealing from a construction site, armed or unarmed. If they're stealing "stuff", most especially if it's not my "stuff", that's not worth the risk of either getting shot myself or having to shoot someone else. "The best way to survive a gunfight is to avoid a gunfight", so I ain't going looking for one over a pile of 2 by 4s.

And I think it's attitudes like yours that have led to the rise in crime and lack of respect for the law. I would suggest reading "A Nation of Cowards" by Jeff Snyder. It's available on the 'net.

An 86 year old friend of mine just got his CHL. Did really well in the class.

Thank you. That post deserved a good reply, thanks for supplying it.

If you're interested in trying to call me names, stick it where the sun don't shine, pal.

I did no such thing. I merely stated an opinion and suggested reading an interesting essay. No name calling was involved.

60+ CHP Bump!

Agreed.
Over 60 or under 60.
It is your RIGHT to arm and protect yourself.
There is not a rational police administrator in the nation that will continue to offer the sham that the police can or will protect you when you are in extremis.

It is your right and your civic duty to protect yourself and your family and homes.

Just seek the appropriate instruction and hardware for the purpose IF you are not a "gun person".

Well, I am 61, and have my CCW. But, I have most always carried, with or without a CCW. Just never made it known to anyone.

Guess I kinda got used to the responsibilty that the military gave me with firearms.

I would rather be tried by twelve then carried by six.

Gunner

Nice! What model did you get her?

I don't recommend anyone carrying a gun in the purse. I know about Galcos so I think the gun is still attached by the wrist to the owner. That's a good choice.

My Christmas present to myself is an Italian Mateba Semi-automatic revolver. I have one already and I wanted another for a collection piece since the company went bankrupt. A picture is on my profile page taken by Oleg Volk and held by his model, Betty.

If that's the same video that I saw, it was great. They shot the armed guy robbing the cash register. The liberal reporterette asked "Do you wish you had done anything differently?"

One gentleman said "Yeah, I wish I had a bigger gun." Not what the reporter was looking for.

I don't have as many run-ins as you apparently do, but for the ones I've had I've called the cops. We pay taxes for that...

Having written that, I carry basically all the time, and compete in enough matches that I expect I'm good enough, but I won't walk up to what are likely professional criminals at a job site and confront them. Unless there's a life at stake I let the cops handle it.

71 years old,and still carrying. Glock is good. Semper Fideles

Although 72,345 people have concealed handgun licenses in Texas, there is no way of knowing how many people in the state, or anywhere else, actually own guns.

And we ain't tellin', either!

One of the best things about living in Texas, the bad guys just can't be sure of who's carrying, and who's not.

I refer to it as the "umbrella" effect.

70 is a little past the age of leadership. The old man of the clan or neighborhood will usually be 50-60 and is the point man when there is trouble. It might be that the 50-60 group is unwilling to take on the traditional role anymore, so it falls to the even older.

Alaska had the CHP for five years and then another five years, but it has been dumped, no permit required. Assume everybody packs heat and you won't be far off.

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Although 72,345 people have concealed handgun licenses in Texas

I am surprised by the number because I was told we had 81,000 in Ohio. Maybe because it only cost $45 here.

Mr Virtue will have to move up to something with a .4 in the caliber when he gets more comfortable with shooting.

I hope there twice that number out there, I feel safer that way.

Not to change the subject, but I was out shoveling snow this morning, in the dark, armed with a snow shovel and a .45 ACP. Suddenly one of the moose I was kind of watching took it into his head to charge me. I quickly grabbed the most powerful and appropriate weapon--snow shovel--and made him divert his charge and he came to a stop about fifty feet down the next driveway and sulked for a while. Actually I was hoping he would move because he was standing on a spot that needed shoveling. It will be a white Christmas. Actually it was going to be anyway, but now we have more.

I'm sitting here laughing my butt off......a moose! Then I looked up your bio and saw Alaska. It's 4:00PM here in Southern Ohio and I'd say it's 52 degrees or so.
Deer we have, but no moose. I doubt I'll be packing when and if I have to shovel snow.

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas!

Semi-automatic revolver.




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Well, I'll restate my opinion: anyone who thinks that carrying a firearm authorizes them to engage in "law enforcement" is seriously mistaken. I carry mine for personal and family defense only. I ain't a cop.

"The Model 6 Unica is a very unusual revolver produced by Mateba in Italy. It is currently the only automatic revolver made in the world today. In the past the Webley-Fosbery was also made, but this weapon has been out of production for more than sixty years.
The Unica functions as follows: The first triggerpull is a normal double action pull, it cocks the hammer, and then releases it, firing the gun. Upon firing the upper part of the frame recoils. This movement then cocks the hammer, and automatically rotates the cylinder. When the upper frame has completely recoiled, it is pushed forward again by a spring. When it has returned to its forward position the gun is ready to fire another shot, only this time a light pull in Single-Action mode, as the hammer is already cocked and the cylinder rotated."

http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms/Revolvers/Mateba_Model_6.htm

A knock-off of the old Webley.

http://www.thegunzone.com/webley-fosbery.html

I had never heard of this type of weapon before. What prompted you to buy it other than perhaps it is unique?

"Mateba Model 6 Unica has advantage of significantly reduced felt recoil; however, there are some serious penalties for that, as it is also somewhat heavier than traditional revolvers of similar caliber and barrel length, is more complicated and sensitive to proper grip during discharge - gripping it too weakly may produce failures to cycle the action through insufficient recoiling movement. Also, it is sensitive to weak and mild rounds that may generate insufficient recoil, and the gun will fail to cycle the action."
Mateba Model 6 Unica has advantage of significantly reduced felt recoil; however, there are some serious penalties for that, as it is also somewhat heavier than traditional revolvers of similar caliber and barrel length, is more complicated and sensitive to proper grip during discharge - gripping it too weakly may produce failures to cycle the action through insufficient recoiling movement. Also, it is sensitive to weak and mild rounds that may generate insufficient recoil, and the gun will fail to cycle the action.
Mateba Model 6 Unica has advantage of significantly reduced felt recoil; however, there are some serious penalties for that, as it is also somewhat heavier than traditional revolvers of similar caliber and barrel length, is more complicated and sensitive to proper grip during discharge - gripping it too weakly may produce failures to cycle the action through insufficient recoiling movement. Also, it is sensitive to weak and mild rounds that may generate insufficient recoil, and the gun will fail to cycle the action.

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg186-e.htm

I'd like to shoot one just to see what it feels like.

I've never shot one. It seems that one could not "soft grip" it like a 1911 and achieve an, umm, err, "extended rate". Call me a purist if you must. SA and DA is fine for a wheelgun. Semi automatic pistols just seem better suited with a SA. There is a reason that old broomhandles and CZ's are often found in battered condition ;)

HC has entered some frays that some will call imprudent and others will call courageous.

I know the man and his values and will go with courageous. I haven't met TW but look forward to it.

For straight target shooting, hitting that tiny circle at 100 feet I like two handed SA, for defense type practice I prefer DA.

Thanks for the links. I keep getting more information on this gun since I had already mentioned it on another thread. I didn't know at the time that the Mateba was in the movie, "Serenity" when the character, "Jayne" uses one.

This is my second one. The first is a true six inch barreled one. This on is a little stranger that the removeable barrel shround is five inches and the removeable barrel itself is six inches. Plus the silly screw on compensator.

It's fun to shoot. It's much faster than an a regular auto since the cylinder doesn't have to travel that far as a slide. It's also has no muzzle flip since the barrel is aligned with the bottom of the cylinder.

Why did I buy it? I guess the same reason anyone buys a gun after they have already filled their "necessary" quota. I had the money and this is a fun gun. Only "mistake" I might have made is I should have waited for the .454 Casull. This one is in .357.

Sounds like it must be fun to shoot. The idea of no flip must be strange. What about twist? Is there much with the 6" barrel?

>Only "mistake" I might have made .....<


What's another 1K? We're talking guns here. I find it easy to convince myself that I really *need* it. If only to balance out the looks of the shelf - it would be a must have.

And I think it's attitudes like yours that have led to the rise in crime and lack of respect for the law.

A better approach would be to take notes and if possible pictures of the robbery in progress, then let the local cops handle it. Here in Virginia deadly force is not authorized for the prevention of a robbery, only to prevent loss of life or limb. Also, if I do anything to initiate an altercation I am not acting in self defense.

There isn't any twist. The weird thing is none of that odd movement with an auto with the heavy slide working back and forth. I even made an effort to watch someone shoot it so I could see the cylinder and top end work and I never say it. Neither did any other witnesses.

I really like this gun. It's been a pleasure to fire but I was always afraid of having problems with it. It's not like I could run down to dealer and have authorized work done to it.

This started years ago right here on FR. There was a thread about a 45 auto revolver. That thread got me thinking about ordering one of these. They were only six hundred at the time. I wish I had bought a dozen. This one is more than double the price.

I got my concealed carry license with the first batch of Texans to get theirs. I think that carrying the handgun actually made me less likely to get in trouble. In the old days I was likely to tell people off a lot quicker than I am now. If I get into an altercation while carrying concealed, the penalties will be extra severe unless I have a darned good justification for my actions... even if I never draw the weapon.


Further, in Texas, even a justified shooting will not get me off the hook for civil damages to an innocent bystander. Essentially, if I shoot a bad guy and the DA says it's justifiable and I walk, I am still responsible for any loose rounds that didn't hit the target and might have hit an innocent bystander or their property.

I think that about half the people that took the classes with me never actually finished the licensing process or carried a firearm once they realized the full implications of carrying concealed.

From Texas Title 2, Chapter 9;

Sec. 9.42. Deadly Force to Protect Property.
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Deadly force is authorized for any citizen in Texas to protect from robbery. Too bad about your state.