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The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers
7/28/2009 | Vanity

Posted on 07/28/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by MissTickly

This is a 100% TRUE story about a question I posed to Janice Okubo and the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics...

..and this just happened YESTERDAY. Coincidence?

That's why I call YESTERDAY:

The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers

1) An Original Birth Record is what most people have 2) An Amended Original Birth Record is the exact same thing except it’s issued to adoptees–their original is then sealed and only opened on court order. Legally, it’s treated and accepted as an EQUAL to an Original Birth Certificate.

blah blah blah–you all are familiar, I know.

I could never have imagined that the one day I bother to email Janice Okubo and ask a question, I get an answer. I get the swift and courteous revelation that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen, born in Hawaii all along. Notice we still don’t get to see the birth record, though. You could call it all wishful thinking but I like to think I played a part. Consider that months of bogging-down our legal system never justified Obama’s sudden rush to open up. And he knew it was THAT easy to just have them put out a statement all along, YET he watched people who just wanted to know endure needless ridicule and race-baiting and he watched his own supporters harden and grow angry at what they say they perceive as RACISM. And that’s just a couple of many, many, needless things we could have avoided.

What made them suddenly open up last night?

Let me explain. Obama is hiding something. And now that the Natural Born Citizen issue is debunked for many, IMAGINE how the Obots will receive Soetoro/Indonesian anglers like me, that go around talkin bout ‘amended certificates’.

To summarize:

I feel pretty certain, that yesterday afternoon, I asked Janice Okubo a question that the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics have the authority to answer. Are they compelled to answer it, too?

I realize it’s awkward to start with ‘Is’ but I borrowed the wording from their fall press release and wanted to maintain the integrity of the language they used–and I let Okubo know that was for a reason. This is what I asked her:

“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”

This is what they said about his Original in October:

““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. ”

I didn’t ask them ‘IF ‘they had an AMENDED certificate on record, I asked a question that WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN they have the authority to answer based on their previous statement about the Original Certificates–A legal twin to Amended Certificates. And the answer to my question is pretty meaningful when you consider it’s an Amended certificate that, I am referring to.

Furthermore, no one had to ATTEST to the existence of the ORIGINAL birth certificate in order for Fukino, et al. to have the AUTHORITY to issue their statement publicly. ‘Statute’ dictates she has the authority–hence, she has the “statutory authority” and she clearly says so.

THEREFORE, since they are legal equals: No one is obliged to offer any proof at all of an amended certificate’s existence when they ask this exact question:

“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”

Guess what I figured out? I don’t think adoptees are treated any differently than the rest of us in that respect.

The door slammed shut on me when I presented my question this way. The sky opened and Obama was born, Natural Born. I swear to God, this all happened to ME last night.

I had that press release arrive in my mailbox at 11:47 last night straight from Janice Okubo herself and I have the emails to prove it. When I went to the web to look for it in disbelief—there was not once single reference I found, using the full text to search google.

Could I have gotten it BEFORE FactCheck.org? Imagine.

It’s really so simple, they given us EVERY clue as to how to PHRASE the question. And I think they have the authority to answer. How do we compel them?

Needless to say, my conversation with lovely, Janice Okuba is ongoing.=)

Or maybe this is all wishful thinking.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; bs; certifigate; dithf; factcheckorg; hawaii; hooklineandsinker; imom; indonesia; janiceokubo; obama; obroma; okubo; suckers
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I had to go vanity with this. I promise you it happened just as I recall--because it just yesterday.
1 posted on 07/28/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

Obviously someone is hiding something. It would be so easy to put this issue to rest.


2 posted on 07/28/2009 1:04:08 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: MissTickly
1) An Original Birth Record is what most people have 2) An Amended Original Birth Record is the exact same thing except it’s issued to adoptees–their original is then sealed and only opened on court order. Legally, it’s treated and accepted as an EQUAL to an Original Birth Certificate.

So what if they have proof he was born. I'm sure someone has proof Fidel Castro was born, somewhere, too. Everyone alive today was born and can prove it by standing in front of you. That's not the issue.

Natural born citizenship is the issue. What citizenship is listed on the original birth certificate? What citizenship is documented? That's why the voters need to see the original. Get it now ??

Man, the left sure is going out of it's way to parse it's words and avoid answering questions. ""IS" Oboma a citizen or "IS" he not?

3 posted on 07/28/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly

Miss Tickly, in a sentence or two, would you please summarize what you are saying this proves? You lost me.


4 posted on 07/28/2009 1:13:49 PM PDT by Genoa
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Miss Tickly, in a sentence or two, would you please summarize what you are saying this proves? You lost me.

Hawaii said Oboma was born. They have an adoption certificate that says he was really, really born. They made it from the original that also said he was born. That's why he's here today.

Now you know. Obomas mother really did give birth. The problem is they refused to say where.

5 posted on 07/28/2009 1:18:09 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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I feel pretty certain, that yesterday afternoon, I asked Janice Okubo a question...

A very interesting use of the words "pretty" and "certain."

6 posted on 07/28/2009 1:19:52 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: concerned about politics

You’re not Miss Tickly!


7 posted on 07/28/2009 1:20:14 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: Genoa

I think she’s trying to say, that maybe, just maybe the little people in Hawaii who are guarding the BC, may know something, and will tell us, if we ask it in the right way.

This whole thing, I’ve watched for over one year now. I along with a few others here started this when we independently saw that two hospitals were listed as a place of birth... etc etc.

The man has an army of attorneys keeping us from seeing his education and birth records. No other president in my life time would act this way. All presidents of this country from either party have been totally transparent and proud of thier past.

I’m a birther and proud of it.


8 posted on 07/28/2009 1:21:10 PM PDT by nikos1121 (I'm a birther and proud of it!)
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To: nikos1121

I want Miss Tickly. What have you done with her?


9 posted on 07/28/2009 1:22:31 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: Genoa

She speaks with an interesting accent. Is she Hawaiian?


10 posted on 07/28/2009 1:25:13 PM PDT by nikos1121 (I'm a birther and proud of it!)
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To: Genoa

I’ll try. But please read what I wrote again, too.

How Hawaii statute affects the handling of an Original Birth is no different than how they handle an Amended one.

If they have the authority to tell me Obama’s original BC is on file in accordance to law, they can say the same/or not about an Amended one. No one has to prove one exists—they have the “statutory authority” to say so.

Adoptees are treated just the same as someone who was not adopted in terms of vital record statute.

If Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, they have that information AND the authority to tell us an AMENDED certificate is on file in accordance to the law.

Does that help at all?


11 posted on 07/28/2009 1:26:20 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Genoa

SHe’s flown the coop.


12 posted on 07/28/2009 1:26:36 PM PDT by nikos1121 (I'm a birther and proud of it!)
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You’re not Miss Tickly!

Well excuuuuuuse me. All they said was they can prove he was born. They can even prove twice that he was born. Who cares? I can prove he was born by pointing at his picture on TV!

13 posted on 07/28/2009 1:28:02 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly

Okay, so you asked if they have an “amended” BC? And she said yes?


14 posted on 07/28/2009 1:28:17 PM PDT by nikos1121 (I'm a birther and proud of it!)
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To: MissTickly

Ahhh! So you’re saying his BC is one that states Lolo is his father (adoptive). And this demonstrates loss of citizenship? Is that it?


15 posted on 07/28/2009 1:30:40 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: nikos1121

She said at first, here’s the press release from FALL 2008.

So I asked again and refined my question.

She replied with the Press Release stating he is a natural born citizen, born in Hawaii. And excuse me if that FLOORED me. She also noted they never said anything about an amended certificate.

I told her that I realize that, but can you tell me if you have it record in accordance with the law anyway.

I’ve not heard back but I just wrote her again a hour ago.

“Okay, so you asked if they have an “amended” BC? And she said yes?”


16 posted on 07/28/2009 1:36:52 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

So you say she was being evasive by not answering about “amended” and replying about “natural-born” instead?


17 posted on 07/28/2009 1:38:54 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: MissTickly

I read through this once. I will need to do it again. It is a very convoluted web to untangle, indeed!


18 posted on 07/28/2009 1:39:55 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: STARWISE; BP2; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Interesting idea....?

THEREFORE, since they are legal equals: No one is obliged to offer any proof at all of an amended certificate’s existence when they ask this exact question:

“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”

19 posted on 07/28/2009 1:45:09 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Parley Baer

>It would be so easy to put this issue to rest.<

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I don’t know how often I have heard this argument in the past three months. They’re not going to put it to rest, because they can’t afford to do so. They’d rather destroy this country than divulge the truth, because the truth may be so nationally and internationally embarrassing that they’d rather keep it from the public. Other items than a mere BC may be involved.


20 posted on 07/28/2009 1:46:02 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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