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The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers
7/28/2009 | Vanity

Posted on 07/28/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by MissTickly

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To: MissTickly
What authority does any bureaucrat have to declare someone “natural born”? If Obama’s father was a British citizen, with this alone, his natural born status is in question.

Another is a foreign adoption. Yes, adoption would not jeopardize his citizenship, but it most certainly would mean that he could no longer be considered natural born.

21 posted on 07/28/2009 1:46:12 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Genoa

It all goes back to the AP photo of his school records from me. If lolo adopted him, not only did lie about it—it calls into question all his effort to distance himself his Muslim Indonesian roots. He says he has compassion for them but doesn’t want anyone to know his school record shows he was enrolled as a muslim?

What is this?

And some argue he might not be eligible due to the citizenship issue, too. I don’t pretend to study constitutional law—just vital record statute.

It could mean he ineligible or it could mean he’s unelectable.

I think he’s unelectable either way because look what we all endured trying to get the NBC issue settled and he could have just done this but he didn’t care about what was going on left or right.


22 posted on 07/28/2009 1:46:26 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Genoa
“natural-born” instead?
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No bureaucrat has the authority to anoint someone as being “natural born”.

23 posted on 07/28/2009 1:48:19 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: concerned about politics

There is NO birth certificate. Period. End of story. The antichrist didn’t get one. ;)


24 posted on 07/28/2009 1:51:13 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: Genoa

“So you say she was being evasive by not answering about “amended” and replying about “natural-born” instead?”

I am saying Obama surely authorized the release of the information.

I think I got too close to finding out the truth and so he DEBUNKED all the “born in kenya” birthers by releasing the NBC information so that anyone left thinking about this issue would be MORE ridiculed and race-baited than ever before.

Sounds plausible to me.

and geez you guys are kinda mean. Sorry i speak big word.


25 posted on 07/28/2009 1:51:20 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly
Updated at 2:57 p.m., Monday, July 27, 2009 (hawaii time)

Obama Hawaii born, insist Isle officials

just send them an open records request.they did change the wording to vital records from birth certificate...maybe they are getting nervous?

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93 STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

I thinl she is trying to say he was born in hawaii and not adopted to become a citizen in response to your question...(of course there may be a later adoption by Sotereo)

26 posted on 07/28/2009 1:52:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: nikos1121

>The man has an army of attorneys keeping us from seeing his education and birth records.<

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Does that also mean that these same lawyers are allowed to keep the truth from the public when it may be a matter of national security? Is that what our judicial system allows them to do? If that’s the case, why even have a legal system?


27 posted on 07/28/2009 1:53:14 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: MissTickly

Politicians suck. They’re avoiding the questions about his original birth records like they’re some kind of blasphemy.


28 posted on 07/28/2009 1:53:34 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly

Politicians suck. They’re avoiding the questions about his original birth records like they’re some kind of blasphemy.


29 posted on 07/28/2009 1:53:42 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: wintertime

Hey I am not going to argue constitutional law with you, I am no good.

For me, I immediately think: could he still have Indonesian citizenship? If so, is that okay? I don’t know.

Lots of people think it creates an eligibility problem—I HOPE they are right.


30 posted on 07/28/2009 1:57:17 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: wintertime

“I read through this once. I will need to do it again. It is a very convoluted web to untangle, indeed!”

That’s because I am a Birther, I never said I was a writer.=)

Oh well, I even tried to make it light.


31 posted on 07/28/2009 1:58:54 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly
Hey I am not going to argue constitutional law with you, I am no good.
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This bureaucrat is no more qualified than you or I to declare Obama a “natural born” citizen. ( eyeroll) Geeze! Who does this woman think she is?

32 posted on 07/28/2009 2:00:18 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: hoosiermama

I think the reaction we got last night is a testament to how interesting it is.

“Interesting idea....?

THEREFORE, since they are legal equals: No one is obliged to offer any proof at all of an amended certificate’s existence when they ask this exact question:

“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” “


33 posted on 07/28/2009 2:00:54 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly
Actually, I think you have done a rather good job of writing about it. It is Obama who is deliberately making himself unnecessarily convoluted.
34 posted on 07/28/2009 2:02:28 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Genoa

“Ahhh! So you’re saying his BC is one that states Lolo is his father (adoptive). And this demonstrates loss of citizenship? Is that it?”

YEP, that’s just what I am saying. And the thing is, if a an amended record is on file in accordance to the law—we don’t even need to know what’s on it.

You wouldn’t have one if you weren’t adopted.


35 posted on 07/28/2009 2:02:49 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: rolling_stone

Don’t think this didn’t strike me immediately when I read it.

” just send them an open records request.they did change the wording to vital records from birth certificate...maybe they are getting nervous?”


36 posted on 07/28/2009 2:05:09 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: nikos1121

Yes, yes, yes. And I don’t think they are the enemy either. They are dropping clues—maybe on purpose.

“I think she’s trying to say, that maybe, just maybe the little people in Hawaii who are guarding the BC, may know something, and will tell us, if we ask it in the right way.”


37 posted on 07/28/2009 2:08:42 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: hoosiermama
Yes, they state of Hawaii offices have generated "canned" answers because they know they're getting busted on their real answers.

There's only a handful of people who work in the DHHL office. When I conversed with Rhonda Funn, DHHL Information and Community Relations Office, when the CNN story broke, she stated (and I quote): "Our requirements have not changed. We've always accepted both certificates as proof of birth. The only difference between the two is that the original Certificate of Live Birth contains more information."

No offense -- but DUH. They might also "accept" a ham sandwich, but that doesn't prove that your parents were of Hawaiian decent, nor your Hawaiian "blood quantum". Just like the DHHL had on their website from 2001 to June 2009 states: "Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

IF you submit a "Certification of Live Birth", the DHHL will NOT accept it on FACE VALUE to grant you land, especially if you have a non-Hawaiian name of Smith, Jones, or Obama. The "Certification of Live Birth" only shows "City, Town or Location of Birth".

The DHHL will ask for additional information if you had them a "Certification of Live Birth". And if you DON'T have it, they will turn to the state of Hawaii's own archived records (especially "original birth certificates") to determine "blood quantum" -- just like it says here in the DHHL pamphlet:

Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - DHHL requires the Certificate, p 3 Request a Long form COLB for DHHL

38 posted on 07/28/2009 2:11:29 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: MissTickly
“I think she’s trying to say, that maybe, just maybe the little people in Hawaii who are guarding the BC, may know something, and will tell us, if we ask it in the right way.”

It has to be a loop hole question in the adoption laws, right?

39 posted on 07/28/2009 2:13:28 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

The handling of an adopted child’s Amended birth certificate is no different than how an Original Birth certificate is handled.

That’s why, if they can tell us they have his original birth certificate on file in accordance to the law (which is sealing it BTW if he has an amended one) they can tell us he has an amended one on file according by their own authority too.

“I think she’s trying to say, that maybe, just maybe the little people in Hawaii who are guarding the BC, may know something, and will tell us, if we ask it in the right way.”


40 posted on 07/28/2009 2:20:48 PM PDT by MissTickly
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