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The Day I Asked a Question and Got The MOTHER of All Answers
7/28/2009 | Vanity

Posted on 07/28/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by MissTickly

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To: Danae
Oboma has released a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country. See post #52.

So, this ammended certificate is Hawaii's "guess" about the circumstances of his birth for his adoption purposes. The real birth certificate is probably the same thing - A "Guess" by the state his mother got when she brought him back from Kenya already born.
Kenya has his real birth certificate. Hawii has a forign born certificate of birth locked up, and an adoption certificate that has the same assumed information

61 posted on 07/28/2009 3:38:48 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Parley Baer
re: Obviously someone is hiding something. It would be so easy to put this issue to rest.)))

The most interesting theory I've come across is that it lists his race as white or Caucasian.

62 posted on 07/28/2009 3:47:15 PM PDT by Mamzelle (boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: Danae

Yep. And I am saying that verifying they hold certain records in accordance to law/policy is something they have the statutory authority to do.

“So it is a matter of finding the right legal question they CAN answer.”


63 posted on 07/28/2009 3:47:24 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: concerned about politics

If that is the case, why would they release a press statement saying that he was a Natural Born Citizen? The two do not equate... wait (I am trying to think this through while typing it out) if the Amended document is considered the same as a a Certification of Live Birth (long form) then... because of his adoption he gets the amended Certification of live birth giving him status according to the laws of Hawaii Natural Born Status, but NOT according to the constitution.

Ok if that is the case, it is an oversight in Hawaii’s laws because it had only been a state for what 3 years and no one had caught the legal pretzel?

So if that is the case, then what?


64 posted on 07/28/2009 3:48:42 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MissTickly

I take it from this that you mean to say that you have asked the question: do they have his Amended form, and are waiting for an answer?


65 posted on 07/28/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MissTickly

Are you aware that if a child of Hawaiian parentage is born elsewhere and undergoes late registry to obtain a Hawaiian Birth certificate (not certification of live birth, a Birth Certificate) then the child could have been given an amended Birth Certificate?


66 posted on 07/28/2009 3:53:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MissTickly
Adoption; foreign born persons. (a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country

Maybe his forign certificate of birth holds the key?
Darn. This is hard.

67 posted on 07/28/2009 3:54:26 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly; Danae

the other thing to ask them is for copies of all applications for copies of birth certificates issued to Obama that Hawaii granted (probably many not granted) that will have some info that is not(IMO) a vital statistic and should be subject to the Open Records Act. This should clarify who was given a copy of a BC record and when...

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf


68 posted on 07/28/2009 3:54:51 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: concerned about politics
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, for example, according to its website, reprints birth information it receives from Hawaii's Department of Health (D).

That seems to be the paper's policy now, what was their policy in the 1960s?

69 posted on 07/28/2009 3:57:13 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: MissTickly

It is truly amazing that the Supreme Court in 1874 had doubts about someone such as the One claims to be being a “natural born citizen” as required by Article II and has to date not clarified its doubt and actually specifically addressed the Constitution’s use of the phrase definitively (though we have evidence of what it meant from Vattel among others) but the Hawaii health officials have no such doubts. Isn’t it grand that we live in a country ruled not by the rule of law founded on the actual Constitution but rather by health officials and the likes of a non-binding resolution originated by a Hawaii Congressman who has staked his prestige on a particular hospital?

Now that the courts won’t preserve the legal system, Dr. Fukino will. Ain’t it grand?


70 posted on 07/28/2009 3:58:59 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: wintertime
Another is a foreign adoption. Yes, adoption would not jeopardize his citizenship, but it most certainly would mean that he could no longer be considered natural born.

If he was adopted and became an Indonesian citizen and went to Occidental College as a foreign exchange student, Barry Soetoro, it would be very interesting.

I've always thought the BC is a decoy.

71 posted on 07/28/2009 4:00:37 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: MissTickly

>> and geez you guys are kinda mean. Sorry i speak big word.

You speak cloudy word, and a bit of drama word. I tried, couldn’t follow it, and when it isn’t clear to me, it’s because it isn’t clear.

Not being mean. Just sayin’. Please repeat with no lather. :)


72 posted on 07/28/2009 4:03:34 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ("Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.")
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To: Mamzelle
The most interesting theory I've come across is that it lists his race as white or Caucasian.

Then we have a case of stolen identity because he obviously is not "white or Caucasian."

73 posted on 07/28/2009 4:03:39 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: Danae
If that is the case, why would they release a press statement saying that he was a Natural Born Citizen?

They didn't. Read their statement again. They're parsing words. They said they had an original Hawaiian certificate of birth on file. They never said natural born citizen. Remember, the place of birth is "assumed" on the foreign born certificates. That would never stand up in court.

74 posted on 07/28/2009 4:04:43 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MHGinTN

REALLY?

No, I wasn’t aware of that!=)

<<>Are you aware that if a child of Hawaiian parentage is born elsewhere and undergoes late registry to obtain a Hawaiian Birth certificate (not certification of live birth, a Birth Certificate) then the child could have been given an amended Birth Certificate?
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75 posted on 07/28/2009 4:05:25 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Danae
Yes and no. I've asked if they can state Obama's Amended Birth Certificate is on record in accordance to the law. <>
76 posted on 07/28/2009 4:07:39 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Irish Eyes
That seems to be the paper's policy now, what was their policy in the 1960s?

Does anyone have an actual (printed on paper) copy of that newspaper announcement of Obomas American birth? A "New and improved Internet copy" doesn't cut it, especially when a democrat tells the site what to print.

77 posted on 07/28/2009 4:09:37 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: lonestar
He is, so, Caucasian. If you factor in his Arab percentage, he's more white than anything else.

Hawaii is a very ethnically-conscious place. You need to know which is Japanese, which is Chinese, and which is Korean. They don't like getting confused in the "Asian" thing they've had to come to accept. White mother, white baby?

78 posted on 07/28/2009 4:09:56 PM PDT by Mamzelle (boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: concerned about politics

Natural Born was stated by the press then?

Ok, on a slightly different tack.

So Obama goes to Indonesia, becomes a citizen and is adopted by Lolo, he is sent back to Hawaii 4 years later and is adopted by his grand parents so they can have any and all needed authority as his parents, which would have amended his birth certificate. Returning his Hawaiian legal status to that which would have been granted or assumed if he was born in the state. In essence he was born again back into a Native status?

Am I following this logic right?


79 posted on 07/28/2009 4:15:21 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Danae
If he has an AMENDED certificate, it is proof he was adopted, and THAT calls into question his immigration status because of issues of Dual Citizenship! WOW

It's not proof of adoption. My oldest son has an amended BC because his mom and I weren't married yet, and I wasnt on the certificate. My third son has an amended BC because we waited over a year to apply. We had to supply additional proof of his birth (home birth).

Zero has an amended BC so he could be adopted, or the BC was altered in some way, etc.

80 posted on 07/28/2009 4:17:03 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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