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I had to go vanity with this. I promise you it happened just as I recall--because it just yesterday.
1 posted on 07/28/2009 1:00:50 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

Obviously someone is hiding something. It would be so easy to put this issue to rest.


2 posted on 07/28/2009 1:04:08 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: MissTickly
1) An Original Birth Record is what most people have 2) An Amended Original Birth Record is the exact same thing except it’s issued to adoptees–their original is then sealed and only opened on court order. Legally, it’s treated and accepted as an EQUAL to an Original Birth Certificate.

So what if they have proof he was born. I'm sure someone has proof Fidel Castro was born, somewhere, too. Everyone alive today was born and can prove it by standing in front of you. That's not the issue.

Natural born citizenship is the issue. What citizenship is listed on the original birth certificate? What citizenship is documented? That's why the voters need to see the original. Get it now ??

Man, the left sure is going out of it's way to parse it's words and avoid answering questions. ""IS" Oboma a citizen or "IS" he not?

3 posted on 07/28/2009 1:13:20 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly

Miss Tickly, in a sentence or two, would you please summarize what you are saying this proves? You lost me.


4 posted on 07/28/2009 1:13:49 PM PDT by Genoa
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To: MissTickly
I feel pretty certain, that yesterday afternoon, I asked Janice Okubo a question...

A very interesting use of the words "pretty" and "certain."

6 posted on 07/28/2009 1:19:52 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: MissTickly

I read through this once. I will need to do it again. It is a very convoluted web to untangle, indeed!


18 posted on 07/28/2009 1:39:55 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: STARWISE; BP2; LucyT; Fred Nerks
Interesting idea....?

THEREFORE, since they are legal equals: No one is obliged to offer any proof at all of an amended certificate’s existence when they ask this exact question:

“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?”

19 posted on 07/28/2009 1:45:09 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: MissTickly
What authority does any bureaucrat have to declare someone “natural born”? If Obama’s father was a British citizen, with this alone, his natural born status is in question.

Another is a foreign adoption. Yes, adoption would not jeopardize his citizenship, but it most certainly would mean that he could no longer be considered natural born.

21 posted on 07/28/2009 1:46:12 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: MissTickly
Updated at 2:57 p.m., Monday, July 27, 2009 (hawaii time)

Obama Hawaii born, insist Isle officials

just send them an open records request.they did change the wording to vital records from birth certificate...maybe they are getting nervous?

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93 STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. “No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

For Immediate Release: July 27, 2009 09-063 STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

I thinl she is trying to say he was born in hawaii and not adopted to become a citizen in response to your question...(of course there may be a later adoption by Sotereo)

26 posted on 07/28/2009 1:52:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: MissTickly

Politicians suck. They’re avoiding the questions about his original birth records like they’re some kind of blasphemy.


28 posted on 07/28/2009 1:53:34 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly

Politicians suck. They’re avoiding the questions about his original birth records like they’re some kind of blasphemy.


29 posted on 07/28/2009 1:53:42 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: MissTickly

One must understand the complexities of Hawaii's birth certificate history and laws to grasp the following (sorry if it seems confusing -- it IS confusing):

To have a FULL accounting, the "birth certificate" is NOT enough. The ENTIRE "birth record" on file with the Secretary of Health Vital Statistics Office, as well as any archived files with the former "Secretary of Hawaii" (as was the procedure under the Organic Act of 1900), should be examined to determine if a “Late Birth Certificate” with modifications, or a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth” is present or has been archived away from the "vault copy."

It seems like Hawaii makes a clear distinction between the short-form, Certification of Live Birth, and the "longer, but not long form," Certificate of Live Birth from what they call a "standard birth certificate," which is Hawaii's long-form, Certificate of Live Birth, or the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, or any complete, original Birth Certificate, or Certificate of Birth (same thing) issued BY ANOTHER STATE OR COUNTRY at the time of birth, signed by the attending doctor, parent(s), and so on.

From my understanding of the Law, there is a big difference between having a "standard birth certificate" on record AND a late registration, Certificate of Live Birth, which is substituted (but is not a substitute) for a nonexistent "standard birth certificate."

According to Vital Records:

A request to amend a Certificate of Live Birth will, however, be considered to be and treated as an application with the Department of Health for registration of a late certificate of birth in current use, unless a standard birth certificate for that person already exists in the vital records of the Department of Health.

If there is a standard birth certificate on record, and the approval is given to amend it with an application for a new Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, THEN the original, standard birth certificate is put in an envelope and sealed, and the existing birth record is updated -- but, it is definitely NOT called an original birth certificate.

If there is NO standard birth certificate on record, and the approval is given to accept a new Certificate of Live Birth, THEN that COB becomes a late birth registration, and the information on it is used to create a new birth record.

BUT, Hawaii DOES NOT label that birth record, a "Standard birth record," because it was created with a late birth, COB.

What if the request for amending the standard birth record is denied? Then the standard birth record remains in force.

What if the request for creating a late birth COB is denied? Then there will be no birth records of any kind.

Again, here are the rules:

If there is no standard birth certificate on file, an applicant is required to submit documentary evidence of the birth facts necessary to support of the registration of the late certificate of birth. If approved, the late birth certificate will be registered in place of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, which must then be surrendered to the Department of Health.

42 posted on 07/28/2009 2:25:41 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: MissTickly; MHGinTN; Danae; Polarik; Admin Moderator; LucyT; Jim Robinson

Is this a dream sequence?

Is Jim Thompson shot in the final episode and then reappears the next season... in the shower?


46 posted on 07/28/2009 2:43:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: MissTickly

I get it.

If he has an AMENDED certificate, it is proof he was adopted, and THAT calls into question his immigration status because of issues of Dual Citizenship!

WOW

man, and I though I was the only one dealing with the State of Hawaii Vital Statistics in trying to figure out a discrepancy!

If he has an AMENDED Certificate, It’s GAME ON!

You may have figured out the right question to ask, and it was sitting there right in front of the world all along.

Not, to get the answer....


49 posted on 07/28/2009 2:55:42 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MissTickly

I get it.

If he has an AMENDED certificate, it is proof he was adopted, and THAT calls into question his immigration status because of issues of Dual Citizenship!

WOW

man, and I though I was the only one dealing with the State of Hawaii Vital Statistics in trying to figure out a discrepancy!

If he has an AMENDED Certificate, It’s GAME ON!

You may have figured out the right question to ask, and it was sitting there right in front of the world all along.

Now, to get the answer....


50 posted on 07/28/2009 2:56:01 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MissTickly

It is truly amazing that the Supreme Court in 1874 had doubts about someone such as the One claims to be being a “natural born citizen” as required by Article II and has to date not clarified its doubt and actually specifically addressed the Constitution’s use of the phrase definitively (though we have evidence of what it meant from Vattel among others) but the Hawaii health officials have no such doubts. Isn’t it grand that we live in a country ruled not by the rule of law founded on the actual Constitution but rather by health officials and the likes of a non-binding resolution originated by a Hawaii Congressman who has staked his prestige on a particular hospital?

Now that the courts won’t preserve the legal system, Dr. Fukino will. Ain’t it grand?


70 posted on 07/28/2009 3:58:59 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: MissTickly; All

Ok ok ok ok.

I just had this thought.

1) Obama is adopted by Lolo, and his parents amend his Birth records in the process of the a legal adoption. (Does this make him an Indonesian Citizen? Not by American law, but maybe by Indonesian law that needs to be looked at)

2) Barry has his name changed with Hawaii in that process

3) Barry gets Indonesian Citizenship in order to go to school

4) Barry returns from Hawaii, and perhaps or perhaps not, he amends his birth records back to his father being Obama Sr. I am going to assume not for now.

5) Because Illinois does not require that a senate candidate give proof of citizenship (that needs to be double checked) once he is elected and given a US passport, though he is not technically a US citizen because his birth records didn’t get amended on his return to Hawaii, and that is a legal knot, I an unsure on that point.

6) Barry realized that he is going to need his COLB updated with Obama Sr’s name on it, and does so with the state of Hawaii in 2007 and gets the shiny new COLB that we see on the internet. And he gets his state status of Natural Born back, because the state of Hawaii does nothing else in an Amended Birth certificate case!!!

Well.... Tear it up! Flame on!


155 posted on 07/28/2009 8:58:22 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: MissTickly

Did you ever get an answer to your question?


186 posted on 07/29/2009 4:57:38 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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