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Inside the FBI’s secret relationship with the military’s special operations
Washington Post ^ | April 10, 2014 | Adam Goldman and Julie Tate

Posted on 04/11/2014 7:08:51 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

When U.S. Special Operations forces raided several houses in the Iraqi city of Ramadi in March 2006, two Army Rangers were killed when gunfire erupted on the ground floor of one home. A third member of the team was knocked unconscious and shredded by ball bearings when a teenage insurgent detonated a suicide vest.

Who, the relative asked, was this man — the one represented by a blue dot and nearly killed by the suicide bomber?

After some hesi­ta­tion, the military briefers answered with three letters: FBI.

The wounded agent in Iraq was Jay Tabb, a longtime member of the bureau’s Hostage and Rescue Team (HRT) who was embedded with the Rangers when they descended on Ramadi in Black Hawks and Chinooks. Tabb, who now leads the HRT, also had been wounded just months earlier in another high-risk operation.

At Fort Bragg, N.C., home to the Army’s Special Operations Command, Delta Force operators trained the agents, teaching them how to breach buildings and engage in close-quarter fighting, said Danny Coulson, who commanded the first HRT.

The team’s mission was largely domestic, although it did participate in select operations to arrest fugitives overseas, known in FBI slang as a “habeas grab.”

Sometimes lines blurred between the HRT and the military. During the 1993 botched assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Tex., three Delta Force operators were on hand to advise. Waco, along with a fiasco the prior year at a white separatist compound at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, put the FBI on the defensive.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006; 200603; branchdavidian; childsoldiers; fbi; gwot; habeausgrab; hrt; jaytabb; jsoc; ramadi; rubyridge; tabb; teens; terrorists; waco
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1 posted on 04/11/2014 7:08:51 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

FBI and SpecOps over there and over here!


2 posted on 04/11/2014 7:10:26 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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It’s similar to the ATFs involvement in Combined Explosives Exploitation Cell. They bring special things to the fight.


3 posted on 04/11/2014 7:19:11 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Seizethecarp

when a country fights a long series of low-intensity wars, first soldiers act like cops, and finally cops act ike soldiers.


4 posted on 04/11/2014 7:22:29 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

He had his quirks, but G. Gordon Liddy used to raise Cain about Posse Comitatus and rightly so.


5 posted on 04/11/2014 7:27:48 AM PDT by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The End)
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To: Seizethecarp
There was a reason why the Posse Comitatus Act prohibited the use of federal soldiers for law enforcement.

The feds have gotten around the intent of the legislation by taking people with military training and military weapons, and calling them "civilian law enforcement".

I would welcome somebody filing a "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" lawsuit, on the assertion that any federal employee who uses military weapons and tactics for law enforcement is in violation of Posse Comitatus.

6 posted on 04/11/2014 7:28:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: relictele
Posse Comitatus ?

7 posted on 04/11/2014 7:56:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Seizethecarp

And Obama thinks he’s going to take this country by martial law? With federal SWAT teams?

One Iraqi household, 2 special forces dead, one wannabe SF injured.

How many homes are there in the U.S? Are the federales the same caliber as SF? Math doesn’t work out there.


8 posted on 04/11/2014 7:56:28 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Seizethecarp; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
Because no shots were fired this time, the FBI needs to do field training with the military in active combat zones.

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

(Yes, I know that's border patrol, the principle still holds)

9 posted on 04/11/2014 8:27:03 AM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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And Obama thinks he’s going to take this country by martial law? With federal SWAT teams?
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” Barack Hussein Obama, 7/2/2008
They don’t call it a Civil Defense force, that would imply we need (or perhaps that we deserve) defense.

The official name is National Civilian Community Corps. I think of it as the NATCCC, or more simply as the NatCs...

10 posted on 04/11/2014 8:30:39 AM PDT by null and void (The British declared war on the Tea Party. The Tea Party won! (Thanks mom!))
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To: Seizethecarp

It has never been a secret.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 8:31:30 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: null and void

I can think of a few situations during Clinton’s term that had cops ransacking homes, stomping on rights. and now we have the same thing happening in NV to the ranchers

I’m trying to remember such an event during a republican president


12 posted on 04/11/2014 8:32:12 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Free Vulcan

Rules of engagement will be completely different in CONUS than they were in the sandboxes.


13 posted on 04/11/2014 8:35:48 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: sten

George H. W. Bush was President on August 21, 1992.

The remainder is left as an exercise to the student.


14 posted on 04/11/2014 8:39:41 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Free Vulcan

They’re not likely to encounter suicide bombers.

On the other hand, they can expect to receive “tips from concerned citizens” about buildings that turn out to be booby-trapped.

Remember also how much commotion Christopher Dorner and John Mohammad/Lee Malvo caused.


15 posted on 04/11/2014 8:44:39 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: sten
I’m trying to remember such an event during a republican president

Vicky and Samuel Weaver were murdered during the first Bush presidency. The Waco raid was also planned during that time, but executed shortly after Clinton assumed the office.

16 posted on 04/11/2014 8:50:47 AM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Black Agnes

Sure. They will shoot first ask questions later. And word of that will get around, and then what goes around comes around. Except they will be outnumbered 1000 to 1 and we will have guns much larger than 9mm subguns, and not be confined to indoor dynamic entry situations.

Their logistics don’t add up.


17 posted on 04/11/2014 8:54:23 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Free Vulcan

The guys flying the drones will be thousands of miles away. Maybe not even in CONUS. Maybe not even American...


18 posted on 04/11/2014 9:05:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Seizethecarp

Big Brother closes in...


19 posted on 04/11/2014 9:15:58 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Black Agnes

Till we hack the drones and start flying them back to them, or send out our own.


20 posted on 04/11/2014 9:17:19 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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