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Irwin Schiff, R.I.P.
Reason Magazine ^ | October 19, 2015 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 10/19/2015 6:00:17 PM PDT by OddLane

Irwin Schiff died on Friday while in federal custody over charges connected with his refusal to pay taxes and his advising others to do so.

His public career began as a popularizer of small-government, Austrian-economics-influenced thought with a popular book mostly about the various ways he thought government actions of various sorts harmed citizens called The Biggest Con. He then shifted to become the most famous popularizer, over many books over decades, of the idea that no one legally owes income tax.

According to an obituary notice from his son Peter Schiff, who runs the firm Euro Pacific Capital and is a public advocate for Austrian-influenced economic ideas himself, his father's end was unnecessarily ignominious and cruel.

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1 posted on 10/19/2015 6:00:17 PM PDT by OddLane
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To: OddLane

[ Irwin Schiff died on Friday while in federal custody over charges connected with his refusal to pay taxes and his advising others to do so. ]

He was a political prisoner, he is now a political Martyr.

Screw the IRS and their jack booted federal thugs!


2 posted on 10/19/2015 6:02:29 PM PDT by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: OddLane

hmm, i just advocated this on a thread a few days ago,

I TAKE IT BACK FEDS, I WAS JUST KIDDING.


3 posted on 10/19/2015 6:02:59 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: OddLane

I hate to see folks go down the road with the idea they don’t have to pay income tax. It’s a no win, and Schiff is a good lesson in what it generally winds up being like for them.

Guys that advocate this idea should be dealt with before they lead others into terrible situations.


4 posted on 10/19/2015 6:03:40 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: OddLane

Sciff’ty character...


5 posted on 10/19/2015 6:05:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DoughtyOne

I used to work at the IRS, long, long ago. Where we entered tax returns. Once in awhile, one would come in with a big, thick pile of paragraphs and stuff.

We were told to just enter the numbers on the form, whatever they may be, and put it all back on the carts. There were about 500 of us on the floor in a regional facility.

This was back in the Reagan days when you could actually admire the President.


6 posted on 10/19/2015 6:12:44 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: DoughtyOne

May your chains rest lightly upon you.


7 posted on 10/19/2015 6:13:25 PM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: DoughtyOne

i disagree...the process to protest the income tax is purposely stacked against the individual, it has its own tax court system where you are presumed guilty .....its not the same as the regular legal system...

former IRS agent Joseph Bannister was able to win his case....

Banister says he pays his taxes, but does not file a Form 1040 return. He “gave up” his career with the IRS (was told to resign) in order to devote his life to stopping the IRS/government income tax fraud.

As a IRS Special Agent, it was a part of Banisters job to read the tax code and regulations. The result? He believes citizens are not required to pay federal income taxes.

Banister’s case went to court, where he was acquitted on charges of conspiracy to defraud the United States [18USC371], and of willfully aiding or assisting, procuring, counseling, or advising the preparation of a return, which is fraudulent [26USC7206(2)].

Tax activist wins in federal court: Ex-IRS agent says Congress has no power to collect levy on income
“A former IRS agent who believes citizens are not required to pay federal income taxes was acquitted today on charges he attempted to defraud the government.”

IRS ‘enforcers’ target former agent
“A former IRS criminal-investigation special agent ... says the agency ... is illegally using “enforcers” to monitor his political activities and build its case against him.”


8 posted on 10/19/2015 6:14:14 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: OddLane

Thanks for posting. Condolences to Peter and the remainder of family and friends of Irwin Schiff.

9. The management of a great funded debt and a extensive system of taxes will afford a plea, not to be neglected, for establishment of a great incorporated bank. the use of such a machine is well understood. If the Constitution, according to its fair meaning, should not authorize it, so much the better. Push it through by a forced meaning and you will get in the bargain an admirable precedent for future misconstructions.

8. (4) A great debt will require great taxes; great taxes, many taxgatherers and other officers; and all officers are auxiliaries of power.

11. As soon as sufficient progress in the intended change shall have been made, and the public mind duly prepared according to the rules already laid down, it will be proper to venture on another and a bolder step toward a removal of the constitutional landmarks.

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/freneau/republic2monarchy.htm

R.I.P., sir

6. But the grand nostrum will be a public debt…

http://www.usdebtclock.org


9 posted on 10/19/2015 6:16:26 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: OddLane

He misled a lot of people.


10 posted on 10/19/2015 6:18:31 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to irritate someone, point out something obvious they are trying hard to ignore.)
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To: OddLane

I understand going to prison for willful deliberate refusal to pay taxes. But to not let him out to die with his family as he was on his deathbed is -utterly depraved- and sick of our government.
Our government is killing the loyalty anyone should hold for it.


11 posted on 10/19/2015 6:18:47 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: SaveFerris

I’m sure you got them.

There has always been one guy or another out there pushing this “no tax obligation” plan. It just never works out, and the folks who try it risk an awful lot going that route.


12 posted on 10/19/2015 6:19:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: OddLane

A very intelligent man who ultimately over indulged in the radical libertarian Kool-Aid. His son has followed in his footsteps. They are both heroes to the Ron Paul anarcho-libertarian wingnuts. I however, do not view him in that light. In the end he was a political crank who got a lot of people in serious trouble peddling the legal equivalent to snake oil.

My sympathies to those who no doubt loved and cared for the man. But I will pass on the political canonization. Thanks anyway.


13 posted on 10/19/2015 6:19:50 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Thank you.

Let me ask you a question. What would happen to this nation if the federal government couldn’t collect one dime in income taxes?

Do you have any idea where that house of cards would wind up?

Do you still think we’d be a world power at the end of it?

Do you think it would only affect the United States?

Hey, I’d love to pay not taxes. Where that winds up, I don’t really want to go.


14 posted on 10/19/2015 6:22:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I hate to see folks go down the road with the idea they don’t have to pay income tax. It’s a no win, and Schiff is a good lesson in what it generally winds up being like for them.

Are you being ironic? Or do you actually support the Federal Government stealing property from its citizens to support its social-engineering schemes?

15 posted on 10/19/2015 6:28:06 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: raygunfan

Thank you for the mention. What you say is probably accurate with regard to this person. Do you think every taxpayer will get away without paying taxes?

IMO< you’ll wind up with a number of poor guys that are looking for a way out, and they’ll get hurt trying the same thing.

Let’s say the person you mentioned is right, and your take on him is accurate. We are where we are. We have a national debt and an infrastructure that needs to be supported.

I believe that the IRS collapsing would destabilize the entire planet. When it did, the U. S. would not be there to put the pieces back together.

Here’s my comment to another FReeper.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3350517/posts?page=14#14


16 posted on 10/19/2015 6:29:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne

look, the country flourished before the 1913 tax law....it built roads, bridges, railways, standing army, navy, cities, etc, etc, etc...and no one had any infrastructure issues.

besides the tax was done to set up a way to pay offs for the central banking system interest payments, it wasnt done with any benevolent intent for the american people.


17 posted on 10/19/2015 6:33:09 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: NRx

I had a fellow who worked for me buy into it. It eventually destroyed him financially. He fled to Panama.

Some of it was his own fault. I think he bought into it because the he believed that the IRS treated him badly, because they would not allow exemptions for the family that he left behind in Panama.


18 posted on 10/19/2015 6:35:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: OddLane
Irwin Schiff was a hero, political prisoner, and a martyr in the cause of fighting the Tyrannical abomination known as the Progressive income tax.

I haven't filed since 1996. And I won't.

And, yes, by hook or by crook, that means I might go to prison. Or not.

That doesn't mean the income tax is legitimate. It's not.

Either way, I won't submit to their extortion.

The income tax should be abolished. It's the epitome of collectivist Tyranny, and its apologists should be ashamed of themselves.

19 posted on 10/19/2015 6:35:55 PM PDT by sargon
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To: AppyPappy

Mis-led them how?


20 posted on 10/19/2015 6:38:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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