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To: cotton1706
A Constitutional Convention cannot be anything but a disaster of epic proportions.

There are no limits to what such a group can change about the US Government. And you can be certain that "Progressives" will dominate the proceedings from the outset.

A large plurality, possible a majority of the US population wants Socialism. The appeal of "Free stuff for everybody" is very hard to overcome and mere facts will not matter. People want to believe. The Progressive organizers will use them to seize power at every opportunity.

8 posted on 03/14/2016 3:37:17 PM PDT by flamberge
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To: flamberge; Art in Idaho
Art,

Would you please post your Article V reference links?

flamberge is in need of an education.

14 posted on 03/14/2016 4:25:30 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V - A Call to Convention, available at Amazon.)
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To: flamberge
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

Forbidden Subjects:

Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.

Explicitly forbidden:

Implicitly forbidden:

Reference works:

Frequently Asked Questions About a Convention of the States

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

State Initiation of Constitutional Amendments: A Guide for Lawyers and Legislative Drafters

15 posted on 03/14/2016 4:26:47 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: flamberge

A Convention of the States is NOT a Constitutional Convention!!!

They are two different things and you should educate yourself.

I’m 25, no college degree, and I know this. So should you.

“Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution, the nation’s frame of government, may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or amendments and subsequent ratification. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures.[1] To become part of the Constitution, an amendment must be ratified by either—as determined by Congress—the legislatures of three-fourths of the states or State ratifying conventions in three-fourths of the states.”


18 posted on 03/14/2016 4:38:32 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: flamberge; patlin; MeganC; Hostage; Jacquerie; Publius; Repeal The 17th; Arthur McGowan; GraceG; ...
As MeganC said, the Article V concept is a Convention of States only, not a Constitutional Convention. Please see the video by the State of Alabama below. A great intro! Thank you for your interest.

For those who think the Article V process is too risky, I ask, "What other options do you see?"

To summarize from a previous post by GraceG:

1. Elect More Republicans - Failed due to RINO/Uni-party confluence.

2. Article V Convention of States to propose Amendments - Needed to try to take power from the federal government back to the states and reel in the federal leviathan.

3. State Nullification - Last ditch effort to try to take power back from the federal monster, though by this point it may be too late.

4. State Secession - Could either end up peaceably like the breakup of the Czechoslovakia in 1993 or a brutal:

5. Civil War II like the first one.... The longer we wait on #2, the more likely #3, then #4 and finally #5. .

So, do we do nothing and just wait for # 5?

Quick review: We need 34 states to pass an application, then Congress shall, by law, call a Convention of States as soon as it receives applications from 2/3 of the State Legislatures. That's 34 states. So far both legislative chambers of 5 States, {Alabama, Alaska, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee}, have completely passed their resolutions and 36 state legislative chambers or bodies have filed or passed resolutions.) Amendments are proposed and voted on at the convention. Each Amendment must be ratified by 3/4 of the states in order to become part of the US Constitution. That's 38 states.

"There are far more political and legal constraints on a runaway convention than on a runaway Congress." - Robert Natelson

Most FReepers are aware of these links, but I post anyway for review and for people new to Article V. It is our responsibility to make Article V the most understood aspect of the US Constitution.

****Please see this summary video from Alabama first: Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A great introduction!

***Another good introduction video Convention of States: The Plan to Restore America

***For the Young People Overview of the COS Project at Washington Freedom Summit Laura Fennig, a COS Grassroots Coordinator, describes the COS Project plan and how you can get involved!

Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States

Convention of States Live! with Mike Farris

The Case for an Article V Convention. Great explanation of an Article V convention to the Massachusetts State Legislature.

**** Convention of States Lots of information here.

Learn about the Convention of States The Problem, the Solution and the Strategy

Call a Convention A call for a Convention of States

Missouri state senator delivers amazing testimony (video) Reasoned speech on why we need an Article V Convention.

Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.

Convention of States model Resolution

A Summary of Mark Levin's Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie

Chapter 1 of Mark Levin's Book, The Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments

Mark Levin: "The Liberty Amendments" - Complete Sean Hannity Special + other Links

List of Mark Levin You Tube Videos

Citizens for Self-Governance: Convention of States Project Youtube hub - Lots of educational videos here

Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub

Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin

*** Mark Levin's ALEC Speech, Dec 4, 2014

Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.

Curing Federal Dysfunction by Constitutional Amendment: A Primer Professor Rob Natelson

Our American Constitution, Article V Rob Natelson's Article V articles

We can fight the uniparty! States, the Natural Second Party by Jacquerie

Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution

The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process

Amendment Booklet.pdf

Friends of Article V Convention Links

The Indiana Statute that will Govern their Delegates

Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention:

Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part I)

Congress' Present Duty to Call a convention. (Part II)

Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part III)

Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part IV)

Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part V)

Congress' Failure to Call an Amendments Convention. (Part VI)

Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th! Shorter Abstract here: Ulysses at the Mast, one page Abstract

****For those of you that still have doubts about the Article V process, please review: Responses To Convention Of States Opposition My initial concerns were resolved after reading these articles. My attitude now is Go For It!

Sarah Palin: Debunking the myths of a Convention of States

Five Myths About Article Five by Rita Dunaway

An Open Letter to the Anti-Convention of States Group by Rita Dunaway

The Article Five Solution - The Founders Would Want Us To Use It Other Rita Dunaway Article V articles Here

A Single-Subject Convention Addresses the "runaway convention" fear.

John Birch Society Denies Its History and Betrays Its Mission The original Birchers were for an Article V Convention.

Update: Convention of States by the numbers The current State count

Convention of States Progress Update From Conservative Review

Convention of States Gaining Momentum

Article V Latest News

***Indiana Statute - Duties of Article V Convention Delegates A good example for other states and one of the safeguards.

****Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of States - An Article V Handbook for State Legislators An important resource.

****State Initiation of Constitutional Amendments: A Guide for Lawyers and Legislative Drafters The Bible on Convention of States

**** State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!

Most State Legislatures are in session now. Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.

Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points.

Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

Let's all work together to get this going!

23 posted on 03/14/2016 8:03:23 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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