To: DoughtyOne; trisham; Wneighbor
i do not want a Constitutional Convention.
No one is proposing a Constitutional Convention.
What is being called is a Convention for proposing Amendments
What is be proposed is a convention of the states to propose a select list of propose amendments. The delegates would be limited by law to vote on those specific amendments.
All of the states proposing the Convention of the States would agree to that slate before ever agreeing to the convention.
posted on 02/06/2017 2:46:34 PM PST
(The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
Sorry for the delay, but I've been shoveling snow this morning so as to get my car out for shopping. Getting caught without food during a major snowstorm is a definite problem.
This is the usual boilerplate that I append to these threads. It's intended for those who don't understand the Article V process and who are unaware of what is being done behind the scenes to make a Convention of the States both successful and restricted to Georgia's application language.
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.
There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.
- The Congressional Method requires the House and Senate to pass an amendment by a two-thirds majority.
- The Amendments Convention Method requires the legislatures of two-thirds of the states to apply to Congress to call a Convention for Proposing Amendments. Once the two-thirds threshold is reached, Congress is required to set a time and place for the convention.
Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.
Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:
- State Legislature Method, or the
- State Ratifying Convention Method.
The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.
Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.
Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.
- No amendment may be added to the Constitution concerning slavery or capitation taxes until 1808. Were well past that deadline.
- No amendment may be added to the Constitution to change the principle of equal representation in the Senate unless every state deprived of that right approves. If California wants five senators, every state must have five senators. To permit violation of this principle, every state would have to ratify the amendment, not just three-fourths.
- The Constitution of 1787 may not be abrogated and replaced with a new document. Article V only authorizes a convention for proposing amendments to this Constitution; therefore, the Constitution of 1787 is locked in place forever. Congress and an Amendments Convention have exactly the same Proposal power; therefore, neither Congress nor an Amendments Convention can start over. Both bodies can only propose amendments.
Frequently Asked Questions About a Convention of the States
Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers
State Initiation of Constitutional Amendments: A Guide for Lawyers and Legislative Drafters
posted on 02/06/2017 2:51:59 PM PST
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Thank you for your explanation, and I apologize for terming it a Constitutional Convention, when it is a Convention of the State’s.
I’m not in favor of it. Some day I may change my mind, but I haven’t up until now.
I don’t think your opinion is wildly off base. I am not comfortable when it comes to amending the constitution in this manner.
I can’t always be right, but this is my take on it for now.
posted on 02/06/2017 2:53:29 PM PST
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