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It takes three DUIs to deport a legal immigrant. Why?
Fox5Atlanta ^ | 2-9-17 | Randy Travis

Posted on 02/16/2017 6:15:13 PM PST by SJackson

LILBURN, Ga. - Even if a foreign-born person is in this country legally, they can still be deported if they break the law.

But there's one law they're allowed to break multiple times and still stay here.

The FOX 5 I-Team discovered dozens of cases in Gwinnett and Cobb where immigrants were only referred to immigration authorities after their third DUI conviction.

"They shouldn't be here," agreed Atlanta immigration attorney Charles Kuck. "The reality is if you've been convicted more than once for a DUI, you should be gone."

The rule for immigrants here illegally is a lot tougher. As long as they are convicted of drunk driving and not just charged, they can be deported after just one DUI. But for someone here legally, like on a work permit or green card, they usually can't be kicked out unless they commit a felony. And that takes three DUIs.

Jose Lara-Rostro got the hat trick in 2015.

Lilburn police found the Mexican-born legal resident passed out at a traffic light. When they tried to wake him, he took off, running several red lights.

"He's all over the road," one of the officers calls back to dispatch. "If he doesn't stop he's going to kill somebody."

Luckily, Lara-Rostro did not kill anyone on this crazy night. He crashed into a ditch and was carried away on a stretcher. Last August the Mexican-born legal resident would plead guilty to his third DUI. Only then could he be deported.

Our analysis of immigrant arrests in Cobb and Gwinnett counties found lots of multiple DUI offenders.

Adan Herrera-Mata... pled guilty in 2009, 2012 and 2013 in Gwinnett County.

Phat Ngu Lam - guilty in 2009, 2012 and 2015.

Jose Chavez... guilty in 2014... 2015... and later tested positive for cocaine.

Because immigration records are often private and public records for these cases contain limited information, it's impossible to know whether these men were here legally or were eventually deported yet came back to drive drunk again.

"If you're a guest in our country, why would you give someone more than once chance at killing somebody?" asked Gwinnett County sheriff Butch Conway. He thinks not matter what an immigrant's legal status, the rule should be one DUI and you're gone.

"The dangers of drunk driving I think are underestimated in a lot of the immigrant populations," explained Kuck.

Because it's one of those minor crimes that can lead to so much tragedy. Like what happened on a two-lane Hart County road the day after Thanksgiving, 2014.

"I was putting up some Christmas decorations and I was trying to call her to see if she knew where it was," remembered Louise Cannon. "But she never answered."

That's because her daughter-in-law Kathryn, son Russell and five-year-old granddaughter Rose Marie had been killed by a drunk driver as they headed to Hartwell to go Christmas tree shopping.

Before they left home, someone had given the little girl a dollar to spend.

"And she died with that dollar in her hand," Ms. Cannon explained. "That's the most heartbreaking thing."

The man who would plead guilty to vehicular homicide was Guatamalean native Marco Hernandez Ramirez. He was in this country illegally, coming back even after being deported once before. On the day of the crash prosecutors said he drank 24 beers before getting into a work van and weaving his way toward Franklin County. His blood alcohol level - point 27, more than three times the legal limit.

"DUI is a very serious offense because it turns our roadways into war zones," lamented district attorney Parks White. "We're a nation of immigrants certainly. But if we're not a nation of laws then we have nothing but chaos."

But under this nation's current laws, if Ramirez had been a legal immigrant, and driven drunk without killing someone, he could not be deported until he was caught three times.

He got his wish, just not the address he wanted. Ramirez will now get to stay on U.S. soil for perhaps the next 40 years. In prison.

"He gave them the death sentence," Ms. Cannon stressed. "And the rest of the family, we got a life sentence because of the heartache we'll always have to live with."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens

1 posted on 02/16/2017 6:15:13 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

The law should be changed. They shouldn’t be given two more chance to kill a car full of innocent people.


2 posted on 02/16/2017 6:18:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

One offense of any kind and gone. Bam! That should be the law for legals. Illegals should be gone. Why do we have to give them the chance to hurt someone before deporting them?


3 posted on 02/16/2017 6:24:12 PM PST by sheana
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To: SJackson

Dead people = automatic dim voters is a theory of mine.


4 posted on 02/16/2017 6:24:48 PM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: SJackson

Maybe that’s why those who’s native language is Spanish sometimes are “cut loose” since police departments don’t want to open that can of worms.

The law is not being enforced for public safety, it is about revenue for cities, counties, courts, and lawyers.


5 posted on 02/16/2017 6:28:18 PM PST by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: SJackson

If a US citizen has one dui in the past 10 years he is refused entry into Canada, even at the arrival airport.


6 posted on 02/16/2017 6:30:15 PM PST by Vic S
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To: SJackson

No one should be released from custody without having to be interviewed by ICE to determine the immigration status of the individual. Failure to prove citizenship or legal residency means immediate incarceration.


7 posted on 02/16/2017 6:38:28 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SJackson

Immigrants should be deported after the first DUI.

Illegal aliens should be deported. Period.

First contact with any law enforcement should result in detention and deportation.

Illegal aliens should not be afforded the opportunity to harm or kill Americans before we deport them.

We should not have to wait until they have been caught and convicted for other crimes, deportation upon discovery.


8 posted on 02/16/2017 6:50:45 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SJackson

At first I thought it was a FReeper joke that the writers name was Randy Travis concerning dui’s. Real name.


9 posted on 02/16/2017 6:53:08 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: sheana

I wouldn’t deport them for jaywalking or speeding tickets or other minor misdemeanors.


10 posted on 02/16/2017 6:55:33 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: SJackson

If police arrest an illegal alien for anything they should be deported immediately after serving any time in jail


11 posted on 02/16/2017 7:00:24 PM PST by rdcbn (.... when Poets buy guns, tourist season is over ...)
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To: SJackson
From 2008...

DUI Illegal Immigrant Offenders Won’t Get Deported

12 posted on 02/16/2017 7:01:47 PM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: SJackson

If you have a DUI conviction, good luck emigrating to another country. Most countries will file your application in the trash can if you’ve got a conviction on your record (also for drug convictions as well.)

So I find it really impossible that you can get a DUI in the United States and NOT be deported. But love of the undocumented illegals who are stealing the places of lawful immigrants who actually want to be part of this country has blinded liberals to this. They’ll publish people’s names and photos in the paper if it is a citizen who gets a DUI; it just is unfair if you do it to an illegal in their twisted world view.


13 posted on 02/16/2017 8:21:24 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: SJackson

Can anyone link to a valid cost/benefit analysis of DUI/DWI enforcement? Would love to see a realistic analysis!


14 posted on 02/16/2017 8:49:01 PM PST by Gratia
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To: SJackson
But for someone here legally, like on a work permit or green card, they usually can't be kicked out unless they commit a felony. And that takes three DUIs.

Make the first DUI a felony, problem solved.

15 posted on 02/16/2017 8:51:20 PM PST by Valpal1 (I am enjoying the lamentations of their girly-men on social media.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

chances.


16 posted on 02/16/2017 9:00:40 PM PST by Concentrate (ex-texan was right. And Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. ( Pizzagate, Podt)
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To: kingu

Can’t get into Canada, even as a visitor/tourist if you have even one DUI.


17 posted on 02/16/2017 9:51:20 PM PST by Species8472 (It's the only way to be sure)
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To: Vic S

If a Canadian citizen has one conviction for simple possession of marijuana, even if it was 35 years ago, he/she is denied entry to the USA and is listed by DHS, CBP and ICE as “inadmissible”.


18 posted on 02/16/2017 11:04:50 PM PST by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The law should be changed. ENFORCED!!!
19 posted on 02/17/2017 5:05:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3526019/posts


20 posted on 02/17/2017 5:07:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

As it is, you get three strikes before you are deported. Change the law to only one strike. DUI is a very serious crime and thousands of people are killed or maimed every year.


21 posted on 02/17/2017 6:34:11 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: SJackson

Is this law Georgia only or is it Federal??


22 posted on 02/17/2017 8:30:06 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: SJackson

It’s a charm?


23 posted on 02/17/2017 2:40:34 PM PST by keving (We the People)
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To: SJackson

I guess, once they decided not to deport Uncle Omar they had to do this for everybody ...


24 posted on 02/17/2017 2:46:30 PM PST by x
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To: ridesthemiles

Federal, though I don’t think it’s a law, just policy. Quite a bit of publicity over a lady deported in Arizona a couple weeks ago, husband and kids decided on their own to stay here so the separation was their choice, but the crime was one dui. Felony dui, so probably more to it than just exceeding the limit. But one conviction. If Obama wanted it to be three, he should have had a law passed his first two years. Heck, he could let cocaine dealers and gun trafficers stay her two. But he didn’t, so Trump gets to enforce existing law, not liberal wet dreams.


25 posted on 02/17/2017 4:04:36 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Don’t think it’s a law, just policy. The article refers to it as a “rule”. Note my last post, you can be convicted of felony dui on a first offence. Usually it takes an accident or injuries, but in the example in my last post, in Arizona a suspended license is enough.


26 posted on 02/17/2017 4:08:19 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: ridesthemiles

I wasn’t clear. Georgia law would govern the dui charge. Deportation is federal.


27 posted on 02/17/2017 4:09:40 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Vic S
If a US citizen has one dui in the past 10 years he is refused entry into Canada, even at the arrival airport.

Not entirely unreasonable. Plus it's their country, they get to decide who comes in, even to visit. Had an acquaintance who had is annual fishing trip interrupted due to a misdemeanor disturbing the peace conviction. They allowed him in the country to obtain an attorney who got it waived, cost him several days fishing. People going to Canada should be aware and deal with it before turning up at the border. I do wonder how they know at the border, they obviously have access to US databases.

28 posted on 02/17/2017 4:14:45 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: mewzilla

That’s California, let the drunks go there. Note the law (California not Federal) isn’t not to deport, rather not to notify federal authorities. Today they don’t notify federal authorities about much.


29 posted on 02/17/2017 4:17:07 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Gratia

They’re probably out there. My guess the beneit, revenue to local government and local attorneys outweighs the cost of enforcement. You can find numbers of studies about the level of intoxication, they generally point to an accident risk level well above the .08 standard. There are probably studies out there pointing to revenue raised by .08 as well.


30 posted on 02/17/2017 4:23:18 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: SJackson

I called MADD about this to find out what their position was.
They basically don’t care if it’s an illegal who killed 5 nuns in a car. They don’t want to know if illegals are killing more people than citizens.


31 posted on 02/17/2017 6:34:31 PM PST by jdirt
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To: central_va
 
 
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32 posted on 02/18/2017 3:27:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rdcbn
If police arrest an illegal alien for anything they should be deported immediately after serving any time in jail

NOOOoo...!

I do NOT want one more cent spent on these folks!!

Get rid of them BEFORE any jail time.

If we find them BACK in our country again...

ZOT!!!


33 posted on 02/18/2017 3:30:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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