Skip to comments.You probably didnít notice, but Trump and Putin are rebuilding a mighty military alliance
Posted on 03/19/2017 10:11:26 PM PDT by MaxistheBest
The Western press is preoccupied with demon Russia. Were told that Russia through its tool, WikiLeaks, cost Hillary Clinton the election; ..... --------------------------------------- ....What isnt conjecture is that there is now a dramatic warming of ties, a mutual respect and a military alliance between Russia and America not seen in decades. ------------------------------- The thaw in relations between the military superpowers began almost immediately after Trumps inauguration,......We reiterated that we have common, ... said a hopeful Lavrov, who lamented that relations between Russia and the U.S. were seriously undermined by the Obama administration. ----------------------------------
The meetings demonstrated the Trump administrations competence, and its predecessors incompetence. In October, during the Aleppo crisis in Syria, the U.S. and Russia had their first serious face-off since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, when Russia countered Obamas decision to attack the Syrian army, saying it would shoot down any U.S. aircraft that threatened Russian personnel in Syria. Obama humiliatingly backed down then he had failed to lay the groundwork for Russia-U.S. military co-operation to avoid accidental deaths, despite numerous pleas from an alarmed Dunford, who had sought permission to meet with the Russians to avoid high-stakes confrontations should the two countries find themselves functioning in the same war arena....Obama never did give that permission but the Trump administration swiftly did, leading to the co-operation that now exists between the two forces on the ground in Syria.
------------------------------------------ The second military meeting, ... was even more consequential,but this time because of who was and who wasnt invited. The top brass from Turkey, a regional power, was present, as was the top military brass from the U.S. and Russia, the two global superpowers. Iran, an ally of Syria and, it thought, an ally of Russias, was not invited.
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That Russia would see its interests aligning more with the U.S. than with Iran is no surprise. Russia is a natural ally of the United States, notwithstanding the dark decades of the 20th century when it fell under a communist dictatorship. The Russian czars identified with the West and were allies of the West; the West admires Russian literature, Russian music and Russian art. Russia shares with the West a Judeo-Christian heritage and, along with other Western nations, has been protective of the Holy Lands. Iran, in contrast, is a natural enemy of Russias the two countries fought numerous wars in the past and Irans Shiites have been historic enemies of Russias many Sunni Muslims as well as its Christians.
Russia isn’t giving up their Irainian alliance as long as it remains profitable in terms of arms sales. Our common enemy is Syria is ISIS and it makes sense to work together against them.
With Syria, Russia will finally have access to the warm water port it has desired for centuries.
don’t be fooled. the Russians denigrated the last administration and slobbered over the dumbass obamites when they came into office.
Remember after the election, the MSM and Obama’s rats were screaming that the world would be in chaos...that Team Trump didn’t know how to handle these delicate issues and foreign leaders were worried sick!
It turns out Team Trump was working the stage from day one or before and has, in 2 months, erased the humiliation of 8 years of Obama and Clinton foreign policy...I figured when Trump kept making fun of Clinton and her “plastic toy reset button” that his plans were already moving.
If you ever watch the movie “13 Hours..Benghazi” the CIA station chief brags that he has the most intelligent minds from Yale and Harvard working for him...that was right before the Embassy was attacked, all hell broke loose and the Libyan success story narrative blew up. This was the guy who took the order from DC to STAND DOWN while the embassy was burning.
Eventually we will start to hear the truth about Obama, Clinton(and McCain/Lindsey Graham) and their treasonous actions...it will take some time, but the truth will be written.
you made my day
‘A Russian proverb says: If you arent sitting at the table, you are (being eaten) at the table. Iran was not at the table in Antalya.
That Russia would see its interests aligning more with the U.S. than with Iran is no surprise. Russia is a natural ally of the United States, notwithstanding the dark decades of the 20th century when it fell under a communist dictatorship. The Russian czars identified with the West and were allies of the West; the West admires Russian literature, Russian music and Russian art. Russia shares with the West a Judeo-Christian heritage and, along with other Western nations, has been protective of the Holy Lands. Iran, in contrast, is a natural enemy of Russias the two countries fought numerous wars in the past and Irans Shiites have been historic enemies of Russias many Sunni Muslims as well as its Christians.’
“slobbered over the dumbass obamites when they came into office.”
I have no illusions about Russia and I doubt Team Trump has either...but they are already miles ahead of Obama on the world stage...the MSM just won’t tell the American people that.
Russia has had a naval base in Syria for years.
“With Syria, Russia will finally have access to the warm water port it has desired for centuries.”
It has one already. It’s why Putin took back Crimea, that prior to Kruschev giving the Crimea away to Ukraine in the 50’s, was Russian territory for years. Putin wasn’t going to allow this warm water port to come under the influence of the West, when Ukraine overthrew their Russia friendly leader, with the help of Western powers. Another warm water port under Russian influence in Syria, is frosting on the cake.
“Another warm water port under Russian influence in Syria, is frosting on the cake.”
How many cakes do you want to frost for Russia?
However, the Ukraine only provides access to the Black Sea and access to the Black Sea can be controlled at the Dardanelles.
Yeah man, we’re really jumping the gun to say Iran/Russia alliance is history!!
We are focused on working together to crush ISIS, and boy have things picked up since Trump took office.
After that is finished, let’s take one day at a time.
As The Great One said, trust but verify.
I made the point that in general the people whom you have evidence of illegality on are the ones that you TRY to get elected. The Trump-Russian narrative doesn’t support this.
But think of other Russian interests.
They would like us to remove tactical nukes from Europe.
They would like us to let the military deteriorate.
They would like us to NOT develop our energy resources.
They would not want us to build up our military intelligence.
They would not want us to develop our military technology.
They would not want us to be secure from terrorist attacks.
On each and every one of these issues, the candidate the Russians would NOT want to get elected would be Donald Trump.
I think most people who believe this story was falsified by a politicized intel community instinctively know this, but I think it is worthwhile to state it unequivocally.
We have around 800 bases scattered around the world as best as I can see they have 2 or 3.
Freaking out over them having a worn out port facility in Syria is really kinda funny.
Lord, I sure hope so.
The only reason the Russian didn’t want Hillary elected was her promise to start a war with Russia.
It has been a long standing strategic interest of the United States and the Western European allies to contain Russian (Soviet) naval power by controlling the Dardanelles and thereby limiting their access to a warm water port. It is that goal that has primarily kept both Greece and Turkey under our influence.
With that, during peacetime, we grant Russia access thought the Dardanelles, but when hostilities arise, we have the ability to control access in and out of the Black Sea.
Fears of Russia come from weakness. A US, much stronger than Russia militarily, is a natural ally to Russia. And, they make a far better proxy for the US than N Korea does for China. Russia gets protection from the EU, the US gets an ally for its battle with Iran and the muzzies.
Don’t think of Russia as an enemy. They don’t really threaten the US at all. Verbal conflict with the US is nothing but red meat for his former commies (who no longer control anything). The US has nothing Russia wants other than help with the EU and the muzzies.
“However, the Ukraine only provides access to the Black Sea and access to the Black Sea can be controlled at the Dardanelles.”
That is a good point. But it is a safer port than the one in war torn Syria at the moment. I suspect the Russians are very happy to have both ports available.
Many sensible alignments of interest between American and Russia and even better were India on board ...
It’s absurd to describe US-Russian consultations as an “alliance” — good for Trump admin. to engage in sensible military coordination with Russia, but this is far from an “alliance”..... and we should not for a moment imagine that Russia is abandoning support for Iran. They will get what they can from working with the USA but they aren’t going to drop military sales to Iran or ignore their interests when served by working with Iran.
Crimea is fine. But remember that every Tsar since Peter the Great has wanted control of Constantinople the Bodphorus and the Dardanelles. Russians have long memories.
The things that we really really don’t want Iran to do ( like having nuclear weapons with range to Tel Aviv, Berlin and Moscow)
Russia really really doesnt want Iran to do, either
Selling them weapons is one thing
Even protecting the mad mullahs so no one can take them out unless it is at a time and place of Russia’s choosing, if necessary
But making Iran capable of becoming an independent strategic nuclear rogue state?
Not in any major power interest
People who thought the EU would waltz into the Crimea without Russia objecting have to have had their heads in the sand. Five little words: Black Sea Fleet at Sevastapol.
Good thing to see Russia and us starting to work together. We are natural allies
The USN and the Russian navy, even during the Cold War, had a working relationship, especially on ocean navigation procedures.
I sailed in that environment, and saw it work!
Agreed, we will see what Rex Tilerson does after he is finished putting out a few fires. I expect he will spend several weeks in Russia.
Obama is deep Soviet state which is still around Russia. Seeing division between Us and Russia is of utmost importance for Soviets stoking Nationalist xenophobia in Russia. Lenin probably hated Russia more than he hated the US, jailing Esquimos who would make good money with America over the Bearing Straight.
“People who thought the EU would waltz into the Crimea without Russia objecting have to have had their heads in the sand. Five little words: Black Sea Fleet at Sevastapol.”
Splendid analysis, MaxistheBest! Ping!
Cutting Iran’s wings is a tremendous advantage that comes from America and Russia working together to keep the peace.
That's true, and Crimea has deep historical and cultural value to Russia...something the euro-socialists cannot fathom.
Iran is a global terrorist threat. Having served first in the 82d Abn Div during the Iraninan Revolution and Embassy takeover, Lebannon Hostage situation, Regean's Iran containment, and even into 2011 with State, I saw both operational intel and an actual Iranian survey team in a S.American country where I was serving (we beefed up with two additional Sp Ops det's on embassy grounds but the TAKES VERY SERIOUSLY Iran's threat's to hit all US Embassies/Consulates, American Business interests and Citizens - given their pre-planning.
Obama appeased because 1) he is a Muslim stooge and 2) he was not going to deal with Iran but rather allowed them to monitor US diplomatic, military and civilian infrastructure abroad.
Trump is going to take on and end threats to American Security NOW.
The USA and Russia form a pincers around China. Very necessary.
Bullshit article. Written by someone who doesn’t know history. The Syrian/Aleppo affair was NOT the most serious face-off between the US and the Soviet Union/Russia since the Cuban missile crisis.
There was one very dangerous face-off during the Oct. 1973 “Yom Kippur War” between Israel and Egypt/Syria, etc.
The Israeli army under Gen. Sharon had cut off the Egyptian (9th?) Army at the Suez Canal and was beginning to hammer it into oblivion. Russia had 3 airborne divisions on ready alert, who would fly over Yugoslavia (or use it is a springboard despite what Tito might have wanted), to save the Egyptians.
The U.S. had the 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean Sea to deter the Soviets but it was partially led by a weak commander/ possibly then an admiral named Eugene LaRocque who felt that aircraft carriers “were offensive weapons” and didn’t want to take on the Reds. He later became the surrender monkey of the leftist-anti-defense “Center for Defense Information” which had ties to Soviet peace fronts.
Kissinger, being the coward that he was, tried to stop US aircraft replacement flights to Israel as well as forcing the Israelis to stop their offensive against the trapped Egyptian Division (on threat of Soviet invasion).
The rest is history. Israel, which would have had a complete victory over Sadat’s forces, was forced to pull back and let the Egyptian Division retreat unscathed.
I talked to LaRoque and found him to be a pleasant fool, but a high ranking one until he retired (some sources says he was forced to retire because of his weakness in dealing with the Soviets).
Another friend of mine was on one of those carriers and they were on a war-fighting status.
Nixon, however, listened to Mr. Betray the South Vietnamese Kissinger and partially caved in to the reds.
Much of this is still classified so what I have written above comes from personal stories told to me or unclassified news stories, etc.
Being an accredited journalist helped in getting reliable sources that the average person would never have access to, so I hope that I have filled in a few blanks about history as well as to point out that the National Post writer Lawrence Solomon doesn’t know his history.
VERY interesting. Had not thought about that. Thanks!
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