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The US And China Are Preparing For All Hell To Break Loose In North Korea
Business Insider ^ | 12-20-2017 | Alex Lockie

Posted on 12/20/2017 7:02:19 AM PST by blam

As tensions rise to historic heights on the Korean Peninsula, both the US and China have begun taking unprecedented steps to prepare for the worst-case scenario.

Across North Korea's border in China's Jilin province, state-run media ran a full-page instructional package on how to survive a nuclear blast. The page doesn't mention North Korea, but it doesn't need to.

Also new in Jilin, are five new refugee camps built "because the situation on the China-North Korea border has intensified lately," a leaked document seen by the New York Times read. The camps can potentially accommodate thousands of North Koreans pouring over the border, as they might in a time of war.

China not just worried about refugees

But China's preparations doesn't just indicate a defensive, wait-and-see approach. China's air force engaged in exercises along "routes and areas it has never flown before" earlier this month, with surveillance aircraft over the Yellow and East seas near the Korean Peninsula, according to the South China Morning Post.

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KEYWORDS: china; korea; us; war
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"At a speech at the Atlantic Council last week, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the US is preparing plans to seize loose nuclear weapons, should North Korea somehow collapse or become unstable. "
1 posted on 12/20/2017 7:02:19 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

He should have been taken care of a long time ago. The world is going to wait around until it’s too late.


2 posted on 12/20/2017 7:05:08 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: blam

Earlier reports stated that China had moved 150,000 troops to the border region.


3 posted on 12/20/2017 7:07:05 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: blam

China started and enabled NK for the last 70 years. They want them there, for some odd reason.


4 posted on 12/20/2017 7:08:42 AM PST by lurk
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To: blam
The most awesome picture I have seen in a long time.


5 posted on 12/20/2017 7:10:01 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: blam

The guys with the funny hats and all the medals dangling from their chests that surround Kim are the key players. If Kim ever gave an order to launch a nuclear armed missile or start a war, those guys would know that their very lives, their status, their privileges and their families would soon be over. Suspect they would promptly kill the fat, deluded Kim, his family and cut a deal with South Korea.


6 posted on 12/20/2017 7:10:04 AM PST by allendale (.)
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To: blam

At this point I don’t think there will be war, at least I certainly hope not, but recent articles are clearly pointing to the fact that the sanctions are beginning to have an effect on the NORKS and that the full pain of the sanctions will really begin it’s full impact in March or early April 2018.

Starvation is once again beginning to take hold and will become widespread next spring. As a result of this mass, national deprivation, China, the US, and South Korea are understandably preparing for the possible destabilization and likely collapse of Jung Un’s regime. This is why China is racing to build refugee housing along their border.

For the sake of the poor suffering NORKS, let us hope the collapse comes swiftly and without international bloodshed.


7 posted on 12/20/2017 7:14:41 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: allendale

while I would like to believe what you are saying, this is beginning to take on theatrical qualities.

There is the background/back channel part of this to which we are all not privy. For every inflammatory article we read, there are ten back channel discussions going on.

Recall also that in the Iraq war, we had the cell phone numbers for Hussein’s generals. They reportedly got calls from us suggesting surrender. Expect the same and more here.


8 posted on 12/20/2017 7:17:07 AM PST by bioqubit (bioqubit: Educated Men Make Terrible Slaves - Aristotle)
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To: blam

China is in a weird position here.
China doesn’t want NK. It’s a mess.
China doesn’t want Korean unification, SK absorbing NK and taking over the north - and putting a world-class capitalist country on the Chinese border.
China doesn’t want USA taking over NK, because NK would just get handed over to SK after cleanup (at least USA would pay for that bit).
China really doesn’t want anything to do with NK other than buy rare minerals, and keep a buffer between itself and capitalism.

China also knows USA is really twitchy, paranoid, and prone to incredibly efficient violence. One moron with prototype nukes & rockets is bringing the world’s most powerful military to the verge of not just common war, but what can be dubbed “hyperwar”. Motivated by threats to SK’s capital, USA sees reason to strike some 30,000 military sites _simultaneously_, destroying them all in a few minutes - a staggering display of violence. This will be led by Trump, who while casually sharing a magnificent slice of chocolate cake with the Chinese premiere happened to mention that at that moment he was launching 50+ cruise missiles on Syria. Upshot: should USA decide to end the perceived threat, the NK military & leadership will be eviscerated in about an hour, leaving an entirely dependent & incompetent & impotent nation freaking out on China’s border.

So this leaves China, bizarrely, with one practical option: invade & conquer & annex NK. Soon. This will leave NK in the unexpected position of all its military pointing in the wrong direction against the wrong opponents. The long-effective “mutual assured destruction” deterrent - to wit “leave us alone or we’ll destroy a city of 10,000,000 people in minutes” - will be completely ineffective as China doesn’t really give a d@mn about Seoul. Or, oddly, it _might_ actually be effective insofar as China invading NK causing NK to shell Seoul causing USA to destroy NK’s military & leadership in minutes much to the chagrin of China, which would just plain piss everyone off.

A pity that an inert anonymous object is unlikely to fall from a great hight upon the head of Un, even though such could be arranged.


9 posted on 12/20/2017 7:26:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: blam

History tells us the NK and specifically Kim Jon Il is the most dangerous provocateur of war. Here’s why and examples:

His “most trusted” advisers are less likely to give him honest assessment of strategic risks and opportunities. Dear leader kills messengers of bad news. So Kim Jon Il may actually believe he is strong against an attack by the USA. He may not know any better. Worse, once conflict starts and chaos sets in, communication breaks down and either commanders run for their lives or give orders themselves in hopes of pleasing dear leader in fear of their own lives.

Consider past military losers like Saddam Hussein. After the fact, we learned that advisers did actually warn him about certain strategic vulnerabilities and he was too arrogant to listen. Hitler was warned against invading Russia and insisted on assuming command and control of front line forces from Berlin.

This makes war both more likely and it indicates that TOTAL VICTORY means killing all opposition. That leads to longer conflict and more destruction. Longer conflict invites 3rd parties and threatens expansion of the theater. Saddam tried to draw out the conflict hoping nations would lose patience and come to their rescue or at least diminish the resolve.

This is a powder keg.

The best and worst solution for us would be if China would take military action against NK. The fantasy option would be if the USA and China allied in military action to destroy all NK military. In that agreement, we would likely have to turn NK over to China.

Truly, there are no good options. We are left with the best of the bad options.


10 posted on 12/20/2017 7:26:38 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being rich or stupid!)
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To: lurk
China started and enabled NK for the last 70 years. They want them there, for some odd reason.

I don't think the reason is too difficult to understand. NK provides a buffer from South Korea. NK can act as a proxy provocateur. NK provides cover for China Military build up. NK has important minerals and ore needed for Chinese manufacturing (just about their only exportable resource). For a long time, NK manufactured and exported US money. Rumors were that China was their biggest customer in that partnership.

11 posted on 12/20/2017 7:30:36 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being rich or stupid!)
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To: wbarmy

Reminds me of the aviators prayer where the pilot describes his wingman’s plane as being awesome but he only has a nose cone to look at.


12 posted on 12/20/2017 7:32:38 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: allendale
"Suspect they would promptly kill the fat, deluded Kim, his family and cut a deal with South Korea."

It's possible, but then again, that reasoning is based on the assumption that sane people can rise to positions of power within North Korea.

Looking around the world and at history, that's not nearly as reasonable an assumption as most people in this country think it is.

JMHo

13 posted on 12/20/2017 7:32:42 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: ctdonath2

Trump’s foreign travel supports your view. First up was Saudia Arabia which following the visit started to put its own house in order. Next was China. My guess is that Trump told the Chinese that North Korea was over. Following that, it’s only a matter of time. Like you said, the Norks are not prepared for an invasion of “peace keeping” Chinese. Fat boy is screwed.


14 posted on 12/20/2017 7:34:28 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: Obadiah
Starvation is once again beginning to take hold and will become widespread next spring. As a result of this mass, national deprivation, China, the US, and South Korea are understandably preparing for the possible destabilization and likely collapse of Jung Un’s regime. This is why China is racing to build refugee housing along their border.

For the sake of the poor suffering NORKS, let us hope the collapse comes swiftly and without international bloodshed.

Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. While I hope against war, I fear that desperation will influence NK to attack (whatever that looks like) if their fall is considered imminent. I just don't see Kim Jon Il quietly running into hiding in China.

It is also important to understand that the NK people are 3 generations into the state imposed brain washing. Their starving citizens could be very dangerous. Consider the thousands of Japanese people that killed their children and committed suicide in fear of American Troops. Mothers were proud of their sons who volunteered to be Kamikazes. Parents taught their children how to kill with pitchforks and shovels. We should not expect the "starving" NK people to Welcome foreign invaders of any nation. They fear their own government and they fear invaders. This is all they know. They don't get Fox News and Rush Limbaugh over there.

15 posted on 12/20/2017 7:37:09 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (You couldn't pay me enough to be famous for being rich or stupid!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Does anyone remember the Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia getting bombed by ‘mistake.’ Trump is ‘’offering’ that it won’t happen this time. Kudos to Billy Jeff.


16 posted on 12/20/2017 7:37:16 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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Why are 2 SUPERPOWERS worried about a Hermit Kingdom?

We can totally annihilate North Korea

Sneak attack their base & totally destroy all their weaponry

17 posted on 12/20/2017 7:37:45 AM PST by KavMan
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Anyone see this as an opportunity? Trump shows the world how powerful we are. Others will follow.


18 posted on 12/20/2017 7:38:41 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: blam

The one thing I am concerned about is, should this fat little twerp realize that he has lost the game he may become even more irrational than he his now and may decide, so what. “If I have to go I might as well go out in style and with a flash, so I will be remembered for some time to come” And in doing so initiate some crap to make as many people far and wide around him suffer as much as possible with whatever he can pull off. In other words commit suicide and go out with a flash. I certainly wouldn’t pass it by him.


19 posted on 12/20/2017 7:39:06 AM PST by saintgermaine (saintgermaine the time traveller)
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To: blam

What are the odds Donald Trump said hey if you want North Korea it’s yours.


20 posted on 12/20/2017 7:39:37 AM PST by DouglasKC
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