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CNN Concedes, Sort of, Distorted "Assault Weapon" Demonstration (CNN Fraud Alert!!!)
Media Research Center ^ | May 20, 2003 | Brent Baker

Posted on 05/20/2003 1:14:40 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

Reeling from NRA Executive Director Wayne LaPierre charging CNN with fabricating and "deliberately faking" a story last Thursday to demonstrate how a banned "assault weapon" has much more dangerous firepower than a legal model, on Monday's Wolf Blitzer Reports, substitute anchor Miles O'Brien didn't go so far as to offer a retraction, but he did concede CNN's demonstration needed further amplification.

     On the May 19 edition of the 5pm EDT Wolf Blitzer Reports, O'Brien announced: "On this program on Thursday of last week, we aired a live demonstration CNN set up with law enforcement officials of a banned semiautomatic rifle and its legal counterpart. We reviewed that demonstration, and one on another CNN program, and decided that a more detailed report would better explain this complex issue."

     Space limits how much I can do on this today and it's pretty hard to explain in words what CNN showed in firing range tests, but let me try to concisely run through what CNN showed on Thursday, LaPierre's angry reaction on Friday and what CNN showed in a revised demonstration on Monday which implicitly illustrated how their Thursday presentation was, at the least, misleading.

     -- Thursday, May 15 Wolf Blitzer Reports, anchored by Kyra Phillips. John Zarrella traveled to the Broward County, Florida Sheriff's Office's outdoor shooting range where Sheriff Ken Jenne narrated what viewers were seeing as a deputy fired two "assault weapons."

     Jenne explained why he favors keeping the ban in place: "Because I think guns are the tools of hunters, but these weapons are really the tools to kill people and there's a major, major difference."

     First, a deputy fired what Jenne described as "a AK-47, the Chinese version," which is "currently banned."

     Viewers saw bullets fired into a pile of cinder blocks and chunks of the cinder block flying off, leaving a big hole in one block. Then, the deputy fired into a bullet-proof vest. Zarrella observed that the bullets "clearly fired right through" the vest.

     Second, Jenne set up the next model to be tested: "This is an AK-47 also, but a civilian model. It has some differences and right now this only has a clip of 10 in the magazine -- or 10 rounds in the magazine. So this is a big difference than the 30 rounds in the previous magazine."

     Viewers then saw the deputy fire four shots toward the cinder blocks, but nothing happened, not even a speck of the cinder block flew off, never mind any hole being created.

     The very clear implication: The illegal model punches right through cinder block with devastating and deadly force, but the legal model can't even cause a speck to fall off.

     Upon looking at the MRC videotape frame by frame, with the first rifle you could see a puff of smoke coming out of the end of the barrel as the deputy fired. But with the second gun, you could not see anything, as if no bullet were being fired. And if one was, the deputy either missed the target cinder blocks, or had good enough aim to be firing into the hole created by the first rifle.

     Sheriff Jenne, Zarrella didn't bother to note, is a Democrat. From Jenne's bio on the Sheriff's office Web site:
     "Sheriff Jenne was elected to the Florida Senate in 1978 and retained that position for 18 of the next 20 years. He held all of the top committee chairmanships and was Senate Democratic Leader when Governor Chiles chose him to become Sheriff of Broward County in January 1998, replacing the late Ron Cochran." See: www.sheriff.org

     (Note how they landed the sheriff.org domain)

     -- Friday, May 16 Wold Blitzer Reports, again anchored by Kyra Phillips. An angry Wayne LaPierre of the NRA charged at the start of a guest appearance:
     "Apparently the only difference between the New York Times and CNN is that when a reporter for the New York Times fakes a story, he's fired, and at CNN he's not. Your bureau chief, John Zarrella, deliberately faked the story yesterday and intending to show that the performance characteristics of banned firearms on the list are somehow different from the performance characteristics of firearms not on the banned list. He was, he was implying that these were machine guns or fully automatic guns. That's not true."

     Phillips retorted: "Mr. LaPierre, I have to stop you there. No one fakes stories at CNN and John Zarrella definitely did not fake a story at CNN. You're very off base."

     -- Wolf Blitzer Reports, Monday, May 19, anchored by Miles O'Brien. After O'Brien conceded "that a more detailed report would better explain this complex issue" (see top of this item for full quote), Zarrella offered a detailed explanation of the differences between a legal and illegal weapon:
     "This is a semiautomatic firearm. It instantly self-loads and fires one bullet for each trigger pull. The 1994 Crime Control Act says it is unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon. The law defines a semiautomatic assault weapon by name and description, listing 19 specific firearms by name that are illegal.
     "The law also bans certain rifles, pistols and shotguns by description, as well as large capacity ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. The law is very specific. For a semiautomatic rifle to be banned, it must be able to use a detachable magazine and have at least two of the following features: A flash suppressor, a bayonet mount, a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, or a grenade launcher."

     Zarrella admitted a major NRA talking point, and thus contradicted the clear implication of his Thursday demonstration: "In fact, if you fire the same caliber and type bullets from the two guns," one illegal and one legal, "you get the same impact."

     Viewers then saw two of the "assault weapons" being fired at cinder blocks at an indoor range.

     Zarrella previewed the first rifle: "Here is a .223 caliber bullet fired from a banned AR-15 rifle." Big chunks of the cinder block fell away. "Now, the legal version of that rifle," Zarrella explained before the same guy fired the second rifle. But this time, only a very small hole was created in the cinder block.

     That prompted Zarrella to clarify: "The smaller hole made by the second gun has nothing to do with the gun or ammunition. The shooter just hit the second target more times in the same place."

     In other words, the Thursday demonstration, in which the legal assault weapon caused no damage to the cinder block, was very misleading and very possibly an outright fabrication.

     CNN deserves credit for re-visiting their earlier story in which, for all I know, they may have been the victims of the sheriff's shenanigans. But given how the clear implication of the demonstration was just plain wrong, that illegal assault weapons cause much more damage than legal models which have much less firepower, CNN still owes its viewers a more explicit acknowledgment that they visually conveyed a distortion of reality.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: awb; bang; banglist; cnn; deceit; fraud; johnzarrella; nra; sheriffkenken; waynelapierre; wolfblitzer
John Zarrella traveled to the Broward County, Florida Sheriff's Office's outdoor shooting range where Sheriff Ken Jenne narrated what viewers were seeing as a deputy fired two "assault weapons."

Down here in Broward County, we call him Sheriff Ken-Ken because he resembles a tiny Ken Doll. Sheriff Ken-Ken measures about 5 feet tall...in his elevator shoes.

Sheriff Jenne was elected to the Florida Senate in 1978 and retained that position for 18 of the next 20 years. He held all of the top committee chairmanships and was Senate Democratic Leader when Governor Chiles chose him to become Sheriff of Broward County in January 1998, replacing the late Ron Cochran."

True. Sheriff Ken-Ken isn't even a real lawman. He is a career politician. BTW, one of the great amusements down here is watching Sheriff Ken-Ken riding his horsey during parades. He looks like a tiny bald bowling ball trying desperately to keep from falling out of the saddle. It is also fun watching the Sheriff's Deputies riding with him straining to keep from bursting out laughing at Sheriff Ken-Ken's dilemma.

Zarrella admitted a major NRA talking point, and thus contradicted the clear implication of his Thursday demonstration: "In fact, if you fire the same caliber and type bullets from the two guns," one illegal and one legal, "you get the same impact."

So the first report was FRAUDULENT. However, don't expect Ken Auletta to criticize CNN for being biased. He is too busy leveling that charge at Fox News. So, Mr. Auletta, when did you ever catch Fox News FABRICATING stories such as CNN has done here and on other occasions?

1 posted on 05/20/2003 1:14:42 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Joe Brower
More on CNN's faux pas
2 posted on 05/20/2003 1:18:44 PM PDT by m1911
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To: PJ-Comix
Because I think guns are the tools of hunters, but these weapons are really the tools to kill people and there's a major, major difference

Wrong, Sheriff Jenne. The Second Amendment protects you from people, not animals.

3 posted on 05/20/2003 1:22:29 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: m1911
Sheriff Ken-Ken has a track record of being anti-gun. Interesting that CNN doesn't mention that he is really a career Demmycrat politician who was APPOINTED as Sheriff. BTW, Sheriff Ken-Ken's personality is so repulsive (he wears a permanent sneer on his face) that even other Demmycrat politicians in this county detest him.
4 posted on 05/20/2003 1:22:56 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Person With No Sense Of Humor Is Someone Who Confuses The Irreverent With The Irrelevant)
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To: Larry Lucido
Welcome to the anti-gun world view of Sheriff Ken-Ken who is so anti-gun that he disregards the intent of the Second Amendment.
5 posted on 05/20/2003 1:24:54 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Person With No Sense Of Humor Is Someone Who Confuses The Irreverent With The Irrelevant)
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To: *bang_list; AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; ...

6 posted on 05/20/2003 1:26:26 PM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Larry Lucido
People are animals. Look in any biology book. And they are the most dangerous animals on earth. Everyone who loves their children protects them from dangerous animals.
7 posted on 05/20/2003 1:28:28 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.If we are incai)
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To: PJ-Comix
The obvious conclusion: Ban All Guns!

We need to put our trust in CNN and in Sheriffs, like
the ones in this story.
8 posted on 05/20/2003 1:33:27 PM PDT by TheWillardHotel
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To: Larry Lucido
"Because I think guns are the tools of hunters, but these weapons are really the tools to kill people and there's a major, major difference."

Typical cookie-cutter agitprop, to be expected from a lying politician. Fact of the matter is, the same guns I use on four-legged varmints are the same ones I'd use on the two-legged variety. Last hog I shot was with a Romanian SAR-1. $:-)

Using soft points in a five round magazine, of course... !


9 posted on 05/20/2003 1:34:14 PM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Joe Brower
Even the liberal Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel is critical of the power-hungry, Sheriff Ken-Ken. Read what columunist BUDDY NEVINS wrote about Sheriff Ken-Ken back in 1997 when the Little Napoleon was still a State Senator:

1. Say you live in Broward County and want a bill passed in Tallahassee. You've gotta see Ken Jenne. Say you want the governor to appoint you a judge. See Jenne, the Democratic state senator from Fort Lauderdale.

2. If you are a candidate and need campaign contributions, Jenne's your man. Suddenly it has become abundantly clear that Jenne is the king of Broward politics.

3. First there is the muscling of the School Board during the recent legislative session. Then there is his increasing influence in the past six months in three city halls where he snared legal work though his contacts. The School Board got a brutal lesson about Jenne's growing power this month. The seven members tried to block the changes Jenne wanted in the way board elections are held. Jenne steamrollered them. This year for the first time, Jenne has found a friend on the County Commission: Commissioner Ilene Lieberman, who was elected in November. The senator was blocked from having any influence on the County Commission for years by his rival, Commissioner Scott Cowan. Lieberman, who recognizes Jenne is a smart and savvy political operator, has opened the door of county government to Jenne.

4. Jenne, 50, still controls appointments to the governing board running the public North Broward Hospital District as its general counsel. He also uses the district to solidify his political alliances, raising campaign contributions for his friends from wealthy physicians.

5. And Jenne has the ear of the governor on other appointments, from the bench to the state Athletic Commission. Democratic boss Mitch Ceasar has power, but it's largely confined to the party organization and the votes it delivers. Nobody but Jenne covers so many bases and has influence that touches so much in Broward. Jenne's dark side.

6. Jenne's power comes from his 16 years in the Legislature and his role as minority leader of the Senate. His power also comes from his law firm, Conrad Scherer and Jenne, where he earned $300,000 in 1995. The firm gives him entree into governments where it does work. First, there were the north Broward public hospitals. in the past half-year, his firm has moved into Lauderhill, Miramar, Sunrise and the School Board.

7. And the former prosecutor has been walking the corridors of power a long time in Broward and knows just about everybody in politics. His Rolodex is legendary. But Jenne's power also comes from his willingness to extract a terrible political price for defying him. he can turn from soft-spoken friend to shouting enemy in seconds. Now, to have political power you must be prepared to use it against your enemies. Jenne, however, remembers every slight, every snub, every pol who told him "No."

8. Jenne thinks Cowan attempted to sabotage the senator's political career about a decade ago. Jenne still holds a grudge, but he can't really get at the county commissioner.

9. "The unusual thing about ken Jenne is that he can look squarely into the face of a friend and see an enemy. It has happened to me, "Cowan says. State Rep. John Rayson, D-Pompano Beach, voted against Jenne on legislation several years ago. He ended up with an opponent sponsored by Jenne in the 1994 Democratic primary. Jenne dismisses his power and the fear factor like this:"I'm not powerful. I'm just a little lawyer trying to do what's right for the public."

10. I was talking to him on the phone, but I think I could hear his tongue stuffed firmly in his cheek.

10 posted on 05/20/2003 1:37:27 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (A Person With No Sense Of Humor Is Someone Who Confuses The Irreverent With The Irrelevant)
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To: Larry Lucido
More to the point, we have two guns in our house and no one there hunts. They are there in the unsought for eventuality that we have to kill people. The only thing people have to do to avoid being killed by these guns is not to break into our home with their guns.
11 posted on 05/20/2003 1:38:08 PM PDT by barkeep
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To: PJ-Comix
How do you get appointed Sheriff. The voters don't get to choose their Sheriff?
12 posted on 05/20/2003 1:47:41 PM PDT by hattend
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To: PJ-Comix
Viewers then saw the deputy fire four shots toward the cinder blocks, but nothing happened, not even a speck of the cinder block flew off, never mind any hole being created.

The very clear implication: The illegal model punches right through cinder block with devastating and deadly force, but the legal model can't even cause a speck to fall off.

Upon looking at the MRC videotape frame by frame, with the first rifle you could see a puff of smoke coming out of the end of the barrel as the deputy fired. But with the second gun, you could not see anything, as if no bullet were being fired. And if one was, the deputy either missed the target cinder blocks, or had good enough aim to be firing into the hole created by the first rifle.

What a fraudulent little bit of theatre, intended to panic the fearful and stampede the weak-minded.

This is an upside-down and backwards spin on a demonstration that I saw on the news many years ago. Hoping to use logic and reason to stop the headlong plunge towards idiotic gun-control laws, members of a shooting club in California allowed a news camera crew to film a comparison of the then-legal semi-automatic AK-47S and a centerfire hunting rifle.

A club member shot a watermelon with the AK, causing a small hole in the front and a fist-sized exit hole. Then he laid down the AK and picked up a semi-automatic Browning BAR in 7mm Remington Magnum, which he then fired at a second watermelon. Melon #2 vanished in a cloud of pink mist - nothing larger than a watermelon seed remained.

The message was clear: The AK, despite its gritty military appearance, was not as lethal as the shiny hunting rifle. Such logic never works on the left, though.

13 posted on 05/20/2003 1:58:19 PM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: m1911
I saw the exchange with LaPierre and some woman named Phillips who was filling in for Blitzer and immediately fired off an email. I'd like to think mine, and many like it, had an effect on CNN's decision to "clarify" the issue.

14 posted on 05/20/2003 1:59:07 PM PDT by South40
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To: Charles Martel
What a fraudulent little bit of theatre, intended to panic the fearful and stampede the weak-minded.

This brings to mind the episode of NBC blowing up the gas tanks of GM pickup trucks to prove how dangerous they were. I hope the public does NOT ease up on CNN over this gun fraud. They are obviously trying to QUIETLY slither away from this fraud that they perpetrated. I hope they are NOT allowed to do so.

Ken Auletta---WHERE ARE YOU????

15 posted on 05/20/2003 2:08:07 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (q)
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To: PJ-Comix
They are obviously trying to QUIETLY slither away from this fraud that they perpetrated. I hope they are NOT allowed to do so.

Wayne LaPierre was on CNN the other day, he called them on this, he told them their story was false. I didn't catch the whole exchange but it was BEAUTIFUL watching him BLAST(and BLASTING is what it was) CNN for this story. May the NRA could provide a transcript, it WAS kewl!

16 posted on 05/20/2003 2:28:06 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: PJ-Comix
Governor Chiles chose him to become Sheriff of Broward County in January 1998, replacing the late Ron Cochran

Is this the normal way sheriffs are selected in Florida? Are they appointed for life, or a fixed term? Can the governor fire them? In Texas we elect our sheriffs and they regularly stand for re-election. They almost always have some kind of law enforcement background, often as a deputy in the same county, occasionally in a municpal police department, or less frequently from a "corrections" background. The sheriff runs the county jail as well as policing those parts of the count without a municipal police force, so some corrections background is actually a good thing.

17 posted on 05/20/2003 2:35:01 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Joe Brower
Disgusting. The man has no honor.
18 posted on 05/20/2003 3:10:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: m1911
Jeepers, that was an awful lot of newsprint to explain CNN's fraud. From what I gleaned from this tortouous explanation was there are two elements to the fraud:

1) He fired more bullets at the first cinder block than at the second.
2) He fired into the first hole or a single shot in the second test.

You have to be sitting awfully close to the tailgate on the turnip truck to not understand a)the same # of shells fired from the same weapon will create the same damage (if you use the same shell in each case) and/or b)the collorary, a different number of shells (or different ammunition ie:soft point vs armour piercing) will create differing results.

Bottom line: the conditions in the two tests were (billed by CNN) basically constant, but the results were different. Therefore, CNN is lying cause it ain't possible.

Am I missing something here?

19 posted on 05/20/2003 3:12:08 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: Charles Martel
I saw that. I believe it was on 60 mins with Mike
Wallace. I think they aired that episode just after the Stockton shooting. It was a great demonstration. I have a BAR in .270 and it is awesome!
20 posted on 05/20/2003 3:16:41 PM PDT by Ajnin
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To: PJ-Comix
Excuse me, do I get this right? They were comparing the damage from a banned assault rifle that was firing automatic, to the same rifle in the legal version firing semiautomatic?

If so, that's a pretty ridiculous comparison. Of course, the automatic is going to show much more damage--more rounds are being fired at the target. And how is that a valid test in regards to the 94 ban? Fully automatic firearms aren't even a part of the 94 ban.

Why don't they compare an illegal semiautomatic rifle to a legal semiautomatic rifle? At least then they'd both be firing in the same mode.
21 posted on 05/20/2003 4:48:25 PM PDT by sigarms
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To: sigarms
The people at CNN are either complete idiots when it comes to firearms, or they're propagandists.

This sort of thing used to be standard media fare; now it's just laughable, idiotic garbage.

22 posted on 05/20/2003 5:12:18 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: PJ-Comix
And currently posted on the CNN website:

The Blitzer Report

Zero tolerance for distortions, falsehoods in journalism

This column was taken in part from Wolf's commencement address delivered at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for Communication on Monday.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The scandal rocking The New York Times right now is a journalistic low point. I am referring to the shocking news that a supposedly bright and talented young reporter, Jayson Blair, was a liar and a plagiarizer. Instead of reporting all the news that's fit to print, he simply made it up as he went along. I know all of you have been following this scandal, and while it's certainly not the first time that a journalist has been caught cheating -- many of you will remember the Janet Cook affair at The Washington Post and the Stephen Glass affair at The New Republic -- it seems to be have been the most sustained.

Here's what worries me so much. So many Americans already have a rather low regard for journalists; so many of our viewers, readers and listeners simply don't trust us. Many of them, according to public opinion polls, believe we have political agendas and biases that taint our reporting. And many of our news consumers, no doubt, suspect we often make things up -- whether to advance a political cause, or settle personal scores, or sell newspapers and increase ratings on television. What has now happened at The New York Times has simply fueled those suspicions.

It will now take The New York Times a long time to win back the trust of its readers. The top editors and executives at that newspaper have begun the process but they still have a lot of explaining to do. And in the process of explaining, they should be as open as possible with their readers.

Journalism is not a perfect science. It is often referred to as a first draft of history. And as all of you know, a first draft can occasionally be sloppy. Yes, we will make mistakes. But those are unwitting mistakes. There must be zero tolerance for deliberate distortions, false reporting and fiction writing in the guise of journalism. They cannot be tolerated.

Healthy skepticism is critical in doing our job. In my experience, if a story sounds too good to be true, it almost always is. Check and re-check and triple-check those sources. There are people with agendas trying to use us for their own purposes. And there are others who simply get their kicks out of advancing hoaxes on the news media. Those of us in the business of reporting have to err on the side of caution -- even if that means losing a scoop.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/

Funny: I don’t see any mention of their own “scandal.” Perhaps CNN is still 'triple-checking those sources'...

;>)

23 posted on 05/20/2003 5:42:48 PM PDT by Who is John Galt?
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To: PJ-Comix
In honor of CNN, today I bought a Norinco Chinese semi-auto AK-47. Sure as heck won't be shooting at any cinder blocks though. Can you imagine the possible recochet?

BTW I don't know that much about these guns except that it was used, I think it is pre-ban (ser # starts with 93-), and was just over $530 with two 10 round and three 30 round mags. Not sure if it was a deal or not but it sure looks cool. I saw a 75 Round Drum on gunaccessories.com that would look pretty cool on it too.

Got 1000 rounds for $90 and plan to shoot some up this weekend.

Stupid question for those in the know: don't the 30 round mags and the 75 Round Drum all have to be pre-ban (I'm in GA not CA)?. My dealer seemed to have quite a few 30 round mags for not a whole lot of $ - but I want to do the right thing.

24 posted on 05/20/2003 7:55:24 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: sigarms
We can get a lot of mileage out of this act of fraud. BTW, Sigarms, meet my kind self (My Trusty Sig). I love Sigs. Now we just need someone to come up with the moniker Sig Rocks (or Sigarms Rock), to compete with this poster, Glock Rocks, that I see around occasionally.
25 posted on 05/20/2003 8:46:15 PM PDT by my trusty sig
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To: freedomlover
Pre ban 30rd AK mags are cheap. Yes all mags over 10rds have to have been made before the AW ban went into effect nationwide. Generally with US mags, everything made after the ban was date-stamped or stamped military/LE use only. You are probably fine as long as none of the mags are date stamped after 1994.
26 posted on 05/20/2003 9:09:50 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: freedomlover
In honor of CNN, today I bought a Norinco Chinese semi-auto AK-47. Sure as heck won't be shooting at any cinder blocks though. Can you imagine the possible ricochet?

Funny how that works, huh? They tell us what we should not own, then we then go out and purchase it. I had little interest in military-type semi-autos before, say, 1987. When the rhetoric began, I changed to purchasing priorities. Heck, I even purchased magazines for firearms I didn't yet own, when I found good deals at gunshows. :-)

BTW I don't know that much about these guns except that it was used, I think it is pre-ban (ser # starts with 93-), and was just over $530 with two 10 round and three 30 round mags. Not sure if it was a deal or not but it sure looks cool. I saw a 75 Round Drum on gunaccessories.com that would look pretty cool on it too.

A pre-ban Norinco (stamped steel receiver?) for $530? Not bad, not bad at all. The forged receiver version is usually more expensive, but the stamped version works just fine and weighs less. Which brings me to that drum. Fun, fun, fun... but heavy when loaded. Yes, you'll probably want one. Wait a while, though... the prices might just come down in 18 months or so. Keep your fingers crossed.

27 posted on 05/20/2003 9:29:22 PM PDT by Cloud William
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To: PJ-Comix; Joe Brower
CNN forgot the only person allowed to bring AK-47s into the U.S. is Bill Clinton's ChiCom donor Wang Jun:

Among those sipping White House coffee with the president was Wang Jun, a guest of Charlie Trie. Wang Jun heads a Chinese government company that was later charged with smuggling 2,000 AK-47 automatic rifles into the U.S.

Letting him in the White House was a mistake, the president later admitted. "We have to do a better job of screening people who come in and out of here," he said in December.

28 posted on 05/20/2003 9:52:50 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PJ-Comix
Pre-ban more dangerous then post-ban? Asinine.

I own a legal SKS semi-auto rifle with a bayonet and a 30 round clip. It is not illegal because the SKS has a regular rifle stock. But if I where to but a pistol grip stock on my gun... murder! Death! KILL, KILL, KILL!
29 posted on 05/20/2003 11:32:40 PM PDT by broadsword ("The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. " Edmund Burke)
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To: PJ-Comix
CNNLIES

They lie bigtime. It's like the lie of the day from them, or Lie dejour?sic..whatever. CNNSUCKS

30 posted on 05/20/2003 11:37:59 PM PDT by timestax
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To: PJ-Comix
"The envelope please. And now, ladies and gentlemen, the winner of the first annual Jayson Blair Award for Fraudulence in Journalsim (the "Blairey") goes to...CNN, for their 'Blitzer Reports' on guns and the law!"
31 posted on 05/20/2003 11:40:54 PM PDT by Pharmboy (.Dems lie 'cause they have to.)
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To: Tailback
Generally with US mags, everything made after the ban was date-stamped or stamped military/LE use only. You are probably fine as long as none of the mags are date stamped after 1994.

That's right. Just watch out for people selling post-bans with the LE designation sanded off. Unfortunately, it happens, but it's not hard to spot as long as you're aware of it.

33 posted on 05/21/2003 4:53:07 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: xbar
Ah, Yes.

The Willard was "the" place for Union officers during the civil war. I've always enjoyed the story about General Grant and his first visit there.

That's all. Nothing else.
34 posted on 05/21/2003 5:06:33 AM PDT by TheWillardHotel
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To: PJ-Comix
Here is a little piece by Ken-Kenn:

http://www.sheriff.org/about_bso/admin/sheriff/monthly.cfm?nYear=1999&nMonth=7&sSpecial=N

July 1999
No Place for Assault Weapons

On May 21, 1999, a Pembroke Park pawn shop was broken into and approximately 50 firearms were stolen, including numerous assault weapons such as TEC9s and AK 47s. These weapons, in the hands of criminals, present a significant threat to our citizens and to our law enforcement officers charged with protecting the public.....
35 posted on 05/21/2003 5:50:31 AM PDT by Stew Padasso
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To: PJ-Comix
CNNLIES

Another day, another CNN lie. How long are they going to be allowed to stay in business whilst telling lies every day?!

36 posted on 05/22/2003 11:54:22 AM PDT by timestax
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