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Rice: U.S. Never Said Saddam Was Behind 9/11
Reuters ^ | Sep 16, 2003

Posted on 09/16/2003 5:22:10 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative

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To: Dr. Frank
By now every thinking person can see all these Islamo-facist groups are basically one and the same. Just because they have different cute names doesn't make there causes different. These groups are all intent on ruling the world, just like the facists/communists/nazis before them.

You can only run around saying you want to kill the non-believers and subjugate the rest for so long. Eventually even the dumbest non-believers get it.

But, Dims will be the last to get it.
41 posted on 09/16/2003 6:07:31 PM PDT by snooker
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To: snooker
Good point about the cute names! You really need to put that in letter form and submit it to some newspapers.
42 posted on 09/16/2003 6:09:16 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: snooker
great post
43 posted on 09/16/2003 6:14:22 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: Peach
Her statement, made in an interview recorded for broadcast on ABC's "Nightline" program

Sheesh, what on earth are they giving time to that scumbag Koppel for? The only more biased show on TV is "Bill Moyer's NOW".

44 posted on 09/16/2003 6:31:06 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Pikamax
Typical word games are being played by the media because the can't stand the fact that 70% of US believe Saddam was "CONNECTED" to 911.
45 posted on 09/16/2003 6:33:31 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: optimistically_conservative
The only connection we need to know is that osama would bear sadam's child to get his WMDs.
46 posted on 09/16/2003 6:43:13 PM PDT by ScuzzyTerminator
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To: optimistically_conservative
What we have said is that this is someone who supported terrorists, helped to train them (and) was a threat in this region that we were not prepared to tolerate."

Sorry if the truth doesn't jibe with the leftist lunatics spewing Rat propaganda.

Saddam may not have authorized 9/11, but he sure as hell gave 25,000 bucks to the families of each suicide bomber in Israel.

He aided TERRORISTS, and he isn't in control of Iraq anymore.

Next stop Syria, and then San Francisco.

47 posted on 09/16/2003 7:29:26 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamante wins)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
'....Iraqis are not Arabs. (But yes, they're both scum.)..."

Agree with you on the last point, but I think you are confusing Iraqis (who are Arabs) with Iranians (who are Persians, with more a more Central European background).

Iranian people are more cosmopolitan in their orientation.

48 posted on 09/16/2003 7:30:43 PM PDT by Victor
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To: optimistically_conservative
April 4, 2002

Palestinian Document Strengthens Link Between Arafat and Suicide Bombings

A document captured by Israeli forces in Ramallah has further strengthened links between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and the Martyrs of al-Aqsa Brigades militia. The Martyrs Brigade was recently designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

Intelligence bonanza
The raids on Fatah headquarters in Ramallah and elsewhere in the West Bank reportedly netted an intelligence bonanza, including official documents, computer disks, and several tons of illegal weapons and explosives. Also found were thousands of dollars in counterfeit Israeli and American currency.

Israeli sources have said that the current raids on Palestinian military and administrative sites was intended to be the kind of strike against terrorism that Arafat's administration was committed by his agreements to carry out himself.

"We're collecting illegal weapons, bomb-belts, intelligence documents, counterfeit money for buying explosives -- all the things the PA was established by the Oslo accords in order to stop," said an intelligence source, on condition of anonymity. "What's surreal about all this, is that we're finding all this stuff, not in the hands of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, but in Yasser Arafat's 'private collection'," adding, "anyone who thought Hamas was our biggest problem ought to wake up now."

In a press conference Tuesday, military sources said that among the documents seized in a raid on Arafat's headquarters was an invoice from the al-Aqsa Martyrs asking for reimbursement for, among other things, explosives used in bombings in Israeli cities. The document was addressed to Brig. Gen. Fouad Shoubaki, the Palestinian Authority's chief financial officer for military operations, and contained numerous handwritten notes and calculations, apparently added by Shoubaki's staff.

"How much does terrorism cost?"
The invoice was sent by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades to Shoubaki's office, located in the Palestinian Authority's headquarters in Ramallah. Dated 16 September, it outlines expenses through September 6 and asks Shoubaki's office for money to build additional bombs, and to finance propaganda posters glorifying suicide bombers.

The seven-point financial report lists the projected cost of various attack-related activities, including "electrical components and chemical supplies to produce charges and bombs." The cost of each bomb was listed as $150. "We require on a weekly basis 5-9 explosives charges for squads in various areas," the document read.

Also cited were the costs for printing posters of al-Aqsa members killed in conflict with Israelis, for printed announcements, invitations and mourners' tents, for mounting "martyrs' portraits" on boards, and for funerals. Another item asked for the transfer of $17,930 to cover purchases of AK-47 assault rifles.

Colonel Miri Eisen, a senior intelligence officer who presented the document, said that she did not have information on whether the transfer of funds was carried out. However, she pointed out the in the time since the letter was sent, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade had carried out eight suicide bombings in Israel. In addition, the group has carried out about 300 attacks in which Israeli civilians were killed or wounded, including roadside ambushes, driveby shootings, and car bombings.

 "You could probably call this a terror invoice. How much does terrorism cost?" Eisen told reporters

Procurer of the Karin A is with Arafat in Ramallah
Fouad Shoubaki, a close associate of Arafat for more than 30 years, first rose to public prominence in the wake of the "Karin A Affair," when it emerged that he had paid out some $200,000 for the purchase of a ship to haul weapons from Iran to the Palestinian Autonomous territories. The ship was seized by Israeli commandos on the Red Sea in January, and was found to be carrying some fifty tons of weapons in violation of Arafat’s agreements with Israel.

In a bid to deflate international criticism and distance himself from the affair, Yasser Arafat announced that Shoubaki would be fired from his post and tried for his role in arranging the arms deal. However, the arrest and subsequent trial were widely considered to be public relations gestures.

Israeli military sources say that the many documents seized in Shoubaki's office showed that he continued with "business as usual" after the Karin A affair. Shoubaki, also known as abu Hazm, is currently trapped with the Fatah leader in his Ramallah headquarters, which was surrounded by Israeli forces last week.

According to the Israeli military establishment, Shoubaki was also responsible for financing the activity of the al-Aksa Brigades in the Bethlehem region, transferring monthly salaries to the organization's activists in the area. In addition, he was involved in purchasing a cache of weapons stolen towards the end of the year 2000 from an IDF base in the area. These weapons were later used to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians in the area of Jerusalem.

Dore Gold, an advisor to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said Tuesday that Shoubaki had visited Baghdad in August 2001 in order to coordinate positions with the Iraqi government, and that in May 2001 he was present at a meeting in Moscow during which the draft for joint activities between Iran and the PA was agreed upon.

Both Iraq and Iran have become increasingly involved in providing financial and military support to Palestinian groups since Arafat first declared the peace process at a dead end and returned to armed conflict. Iraqi president Saddam Hussein announced last week that he is increasing the sum offered the families of suicide bombings from $10,000 to $25,000, in order to encourage more young men to "choose the path of martyrdom."



 
The following is the English translation of a routine invoice from the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade to the Office of Fouad Shoubaki, Yasser Arafat's chief financial officer for military expenses. The handwritting in the margins is thought to be that of Shoubaki himself.

Fouad Shoubaki Office’s handling of the “Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades” Request for Financial Aid

Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
Palestine

Financial Report

The debts which we have accumulated until now are estimated to be NIS 38,000.  The following are the details:

 1. The cost of posters of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades: Azam Mazhar, Usama Jubara, Shadi Afuri, Yasser Badawi, Ahed Fares (addition in handwriting of 2,000 shekels).

 2. Costs of printed announcements, invitations and mourners shelters for martyrs (addition in handwriting of 1,250 shekels).

 3. Cost of sticking photos of martyrs on wooden boards and also of the martyrs Thabet Thabet and Mahmud Al Jamil (addition in handwriting of 1,000 shekels).

 4. Cost of memorial ceremonies for the martyrs.  Memorial ceremonies were held for the martyr Azam and the martyr Usama (addition in handwriting of 6,000 shekels).

 5. Costs of electricity products and various chemical materials (for manufacture of explosive charges and bombs).  This is the greatest expenditure (the cost of one ready explosive charge is 700 shekels at least).  We require on a weekly basis 5 – 9 explosives charges for squads in various areas (addition in handwriting of 5,000 shekels per week x 4 = 20,000 shekels per month).

 6. The cost of bullets.  The cost of a Kalashnikov bullet is 7 – 8 shekels, and an M-16 bullet costs 2 – 2.5 shekels.  We need bullets on a daily basis.

 7. Note: there are 3,000 Kalashnikov bullets at a cost of 2 shekels per bullet.  We require that you transfer to us immediately a sum of money for us to purchase them (addition in handwriting of 22,500 shekels for kalashnikov bullets and 60,000 shekels for M-16 bullets).

In conclusion, all the glory and pride to those supporting the brave resistance against the oppressive occupation.

From the revolution until victory.

     Palestinian Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
     16 September 2001

Addition in handwriting: 25,000 Dinar = 150,750:6

Sources: Ha'aretz, MSNBCNews, Washington Post, New York Times, Israel Radio

Organization Info


 

49 posted on 09/16/2003 7:35:37 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamante wins)
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To: Nexus

It has been an article of faith among liberals that the Bush Administration lied on two counts to drive America to war. Liberals have claimed that:

1. The Administration lied to the American people when it claimed that Iraq had WMD capable of bringing the United States under "imminent" danger of attack.

2. The Administration claimed that Saddam conspired with bin Laden to pull off the attacks on 9-11.

Neither of these points are true. The first claim rests on taking Bush's State of the Union speech and cutting it up in order to change the meaning.

The second claim depends on something the Administration never claimed: that Saddam's Mukhabarat thought up 9-11 and used Bin Laden as a cutout, or was in cahoots with the latter. In fact, I have no doubt, given some of the evidence that has come to light in London's Daily Telegraph and through the prodigious efforts of Laurie Mylroie, that bin Laden and Saddam had an ongoing relationship going back to 1993. In that year, Saddam paid Ayman al-Zawahiri 300,000 dollars after Egyptian Islamic Jihad was shut down and unified with bin Laden's outfit. The whole Colonel al-Ani/Mohammed Atta affair is still open to question, as well, as is the use of the airplane at Salman Pak airfield.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

50 posted on 09/16/2003 7:49:46 PM PDT by section9 (To read my blog, click on the Major!)
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To: lelio
Seems like that's the new talking point as Cheney's saying the same thing:

So if two pols are saying the same thing then it must be a "talking point". I see...

BTW, what would two pols be saying if they were defending the truth?

51 posted on 09/16/2003 7:55:40 PM PDT by FreeReign (Pinging Rush!)
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To: Peach
We need to write letters to the editor, e-mail our newspapers, etc.

Agreed and I do and will continue to. But understand what this is all about. The majority of US citizens said they believed Saddam had something to do with September 11. The Dems cannot accept that the American people could digest the information available, combine it with their own notion of good and evil and draw their own conclusions. Nope, Bush must have lied.

52 posted on 09/16/2003 8:48:09 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: lelio
There's nothing new about this talking point, its been out there for a few years. Iraq was an axis of evil member in early 2002 because it provided a base for terrorists, because there were terrorist training camps (Salman Pak), because he funded terrorists, because Ansar Al-Islam was helped by the regime and embedded in northern iraq, because saddam's wmd program could potentially be handed over to them, etc.

Iraq was definitely a friendly locale for many terrorists. Just like Afghanistan, we are denying the terrorists another safe haven.

And furthermore, Democracy in Iraq was always explained as a good thing not just for Iraq but for the *region*, as an example that would change Arab mindset and culture, and be an example for other countries to follow (Iran? Saudi Arabia? Syria?) That's the hope. Nothing "new" here, you can move along.

53 posted on 09/16/2003 10:30:48 PM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: Dr. Frank
well said. Cogent analysis.

The news media are taking a 'hit piece' approach to the news. An E&P article was posted a week back demanding this kind of "reporting" to attack Bush on saddam 9/11 link.

Saddam had links to *many* terrorist groups. we was giving $25,000 away to every family of palestinian suicide bombers.
He funded the Algerian GIA. Links to Al Qaeda have been mentioned, quietly, but there is evidence from many reports on such links.

You can think of Saddam as a danger the way Iranians and Libyans have been a danger - not just one particular thing, but many malicious acts.
I've seen the murals of the burning twin towers in Iraq, painted in the era of Saddam as a glorious tribute - that's enough to tell us which side Saddam was on in the War on Terror.
54 posted on 09/16/2003 10:36:51 PM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: section9
The second claim depends on something the Administration never claimed: that Saddam's Mukhabarat thought up 9-11 and used Bin Laden as a cutout, or was in cahoots with the latter. In fact, I have no doubt, given some of the evidence that has come to light in London's Daily Telegraph and through the prodigious efforts of Laurie Mylroie, that bin Laden and Saddam had an ongoing relationship going back to 1993. In that year, Saddam paid Ayman al-Zawahiri 300,000 dollars after Egyptian Islamic Jihad was shut down and unified with bin Laden's outfit. The whole Colonel al-Ani/Mohammed Atta affair is still open to question, as well, as is the use of the airplane at Salman Pak airfield.

It also goes without saying that OBL's quest to get USA troops out of Saudi Arabia would be a convenient change for Saddam, tied down by the sanctions regime.

The media ignores the facts they dont like and presume that they've got the whole story and anything outside that story is a 'lie'. sad real sad.

55 posted on 09/16/2003 10:42:24 PM PDT by WOSG (Dont put Cali on CRUZ CONTROL.)
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To: All
The stupidity of the press, both concerning their ability to actually report what the administration has said, instead of blaming them for the media's sensationalizations of the news; and for blaming the public for "making the connection" between Saddam's support for terrorists in the Middle East, reported ties to Al Qaeda for the last 5 years in the press, and [gosh] AQs ability to pull off 9/11.

I think there's pretty good evidence for a circumstantial case to support that belief, and Judge Baer (who has a history of letting bad guys go despite solid evidence) agreed). If one hijacker trained at Salman Pak, if one Mukhabarat agent met with a hijacker prior to the attack, or with UBL or his lieutantents, that's a hand in it.

The swarmy media talking heads denying the existance of evidence are lying, questioning the proof of a tie - fine. Telling me how stupid or ignorant I am for thinking Saddam needed to be removed for our safety, for his 12 years of violating the cease fire, for his ties to terrorism, for torturing his own people - I didn't need an administration to convince me of that: Saddam already had.

56 posted on 09/17/2003 5:44:17 AM PDT by optimistically_conservative ( It's an odd mindset that sees hubris everywhere, but that cannot recognize evil. - Glen Reynolds)
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To: section9
Thanks.


I get tired of pointing that out...lol.
57 posted on 09/17/2003 5:46:39 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: section9; Rome2000; alnick
For those FR posters who think the Administration "never made a connection" between Iraq and 9/11, see the following from Tim Russert & the V.P. on Meet the Press this past Sunday ...

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MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection.

MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.

What a weasel worded response given Rice's response just a few days later.

58 posted on 09/17/2003 6:27:15 AM PDT by berserker
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To: berserker
Your post proves the opposite of what you're asserting. "We don't know" is NOT making a connection.
59 posted on 09/17/2003 7:31:30 AM PDT by alnick
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To: optimistically_conservative
Reuters is probably also incapable of understanding how Saudi Arabia could be funding bin Laden (per Gerald Posner)even though bin Laden despises Saudi Arabia. But it's a payoff: we'll give you money if you don't hurt us. Despite internal disagreements, terrorists are united in their hatred of the West and will set aside their differences when it is in their interests to do so.
60 posted on 09/17/2003 7:45:28 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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