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1 posted on 09/16/2003 5:22:10 PM PDT by optimistically_conservative
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who the heck said Saddam was behind 9/11?? there is a difference.
2 posted on 09/16/2003 5:24:51 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: optimistically_conservative
Does anyone at Reuters understand English?
5 posted on 09/16/2003 5:29:03 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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To: optimistically_conservative
How many times does does the administation have to repeat this before the media gets it right? Nevermind, they won't. Media=selective hearing
6 posted on 09/16/2003 5:29:14 PM PDT by Nexus
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If these people at Reuter's cannot tell the difference between "Saddam was behind 9/11" and "Saddam had ties to terrorists," then they're more stupid than I thought.
7 posted on 09/16/2003 5:29:17 PM PDT by alnick
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To: optimistically_conservative

Rice/Rumsfeld sing the old song "How come you believed me when I told you I loved you when you know I have been a liar all my life"

8 posted on 09/16/2003 5:29:54 PM PDT by ex-snook (Americans needs PROTECTIONISM - military and economic.)
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Lets take a page from the book of the evil ones..

Tell the libs you meet, "Its an old story, lets move on and work for the safety and security of the American people..."

11 posted on 09/16/2003 5:31:35 PM PDT by ConservativeStandUP
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she said he represented a threat in "a region from which the 9/11 threat emerged."

Seems like that's the new talking point as Cheney's saying the same thing:

Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said on Sunday, for example, that success in stabilizing and democratizing Iraq would strike a major blow at the "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11."
13 posted on 09/16/2003 5:32:24 PM PDT by lelio
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Her statement ... came despite long-standing administration charges the ousted Iraqi leader was linked to the al Qaeda network accused of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Why is that word "despite" in there? Saddam can be "linked" to "Al Qaeda", and not have been behind 9/11, at the same time. The article makes it sound as if the two are necessarily in conflict when they are not.

By the way, I don't believe it's true that there were ever "long-standing administration charges the ousted Iraqi leader was linked to the al Qaeda network".

Oh yeah, and "Al Qaeda" isn't merely "accused of the Sept. 11 attacks", they've claimed credit for them.

The bias in this article works on multiple recursive levels.

Those charges helped fuel a widespread U.S. public belief that Saddam had a role in the attacks.

The above sentence isn't a factual piece of news. The author of this article knows no such thing and cannot prove this and has no objective data on which to base this claim.

14 posted on 09/16/2003 5:32:24 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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Not really germane to this thread, but I have to ask all the smarties out there, do you sometimes feel like Agent Kuyan after he finds out that Verbal Kint is really Keyser Soze? Do you really think that you're smarter than Kint? :-)
33 posted on 09/16/2003 5:48:05 PM PDT by Archangelsk ("Toss in a buck ya cheap bastard, I paid for your g**damn breakfast." Joe)
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The only connection we need to know is that osama would bear sadam's child to get his WMDs.
46 posted on 09/16/2003 6:43:13 PM PDT by ScuzzyTerminator
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What we have said is that this is someone who supported terrorists, helped to train them (and) was a threat in this region that we were not prepared to tolerate."

Sorry if the truth doesn't jibe with the leftist lunatics spewing Rat propaganda.

Saddam may not have authorized 9/11, but he sure as hell gave 25,000 bucks to the families of each suicide bomber in Israel.

He aided TERRORISTS, and he isn't in control of Iraq anymore.

Next stop Syria, and then San Francisco.

47 posted on 09/16/2003 7:29:26 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamante wins)
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April 4, 2002

Palestinian Document Strengthens Link Between Arafat and Suicide Bombings

A document captured by Israeli forces in Ramallah has further strengthened links between Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and the Martyrs of al-Aqsa Brigades militia. The Martyrs Brigade was recently designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

Intelligence bonanza
The raids on Fatah headquarters in Ramallah and elsewhere in the West Bank reportedly netted an intelligence bonanza, including official documents, computer disks, and several tons of illegal weapons and explosives. Also found were thousands of dollars in counterfeit Israeli and American currency.

Israeli sources have said that the current raids on Palestinian military and administrative sites was intended to be the kind of strike against terrorism that Arafat's administration was committed by his agreements to carry out himself.

"We're collecting illegal weapons, bomb-belts, intelligence documents, counterfeit money for buying explosives -- all the things the PA was established by the Oslo accords in order to stop," said an intelligence source, on condition of anonymity. "What's surreal about all this, is that we're finding all this stuff, not in the hands of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, but in Yasser Arafat's 'private collection'," adding, "anyone who thought Hamas was our biggest problem ought to wake up now."

In a press conference Tuesday, military sources said that among the documents seized in a raid on Arafat's headquarters was an invoice from the al-Aqsa Martyrs asking for reimbursement for, among other things, explosives used in bombings in Israeli cities. The document was addressed to Brig. Gen. Fouad Shoubaki, the Palestinian Authority's chief financial officer for military operations, and contained numerous handwritten notes and calculations, apparently added by Shoubaki's staff.

"How much does terrorism cost?"
The invoice was sent by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades to Shoubaki's office, located in the Palestinian Authority's headquarters in Ramallah. Dated 16 September, it outlines expenses through September 6 and asks Shoubaki's office for money to build additional bombs, and to finance propaganda posters glorifying suicide bombers.

The seven-point financial report lists the projected cost of various attack-related activities, including "electrical components and chemical supplies to produce charges and bombs." The cost of each bomb was listed as $150. "We require on a weekly basis 5-9 explosives charges for squads in various areas," the document read.

Also cited were the costs for printing posters of al-Aqsa members killed in conflict with Israelis, for printed announcements, invitations and mourners' tents, for mounting "martyrs' portraits" on boards, and for funerals. Another item asked for the transfer of $17,930 to cover purchases of AK-47 assault rifles.

Colonel Miri Eisen, a senior intelligence officer who presented the document, said that she did not have information on whether the transfer of funds was carried out. However, she pointed out the in the time since the letter was sent, the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade had carried out eight suicide bombings in Israel. In addition, the group has carried out about 300 attacks in which Israeli civilians were killed or wounded, including roadside ambushes, driveby shootings, and car bombings.

 "You could probably call this a terror invoice. How much does terrorism cost?" Eisen told reporters

Procurer of the Karin A is with Arafat in Ramallah
Fouad Shoubaki, a close associate of Arafat for more than 30 years, first rose to public prominence in the wake of the "Karin A Affair," when it emerged that he had paid out some $200,000 for the purchase of a ship to haul weapons from Iran to the Palestinian Autonomous territories. The ship was seized by Israeli commandos on the Red Sea in January, and was found to be carrying some fifty tons of weapons in violation of Arafat’s agreements with Israel.

In a bid to deflate international criticism and distance himself from the affair, Yasser Arafat announced that Shoubaki would be fired from his post and tried for his role in arranging the arms deal. However, the arrest and subsequent trial were widely considered to be public relations gestures.

Israeli military sources say that the many documents seized in Shoubaki's office showed that he continued with "business as usual" after the Karin A affair. Shoubaki, also known as abu Hazm, is currently trapped with the Fatah leader in his Ramallah headquarters, which was surrounded by Israeli forces last week.

According to the Israeli military establishment, Shoubaki was also responsible for financing the activity of the al-Aksa Brigades in the Bethlehem region, transferring monthly salaries to the organization's activists in the area. In addition, he was involved in purchasing a cache of weapons stolen towards the end of the year 2000 from an IDF base in the area. These weapons were later used to carry out attacks against Israeli civilians in the area of Jerusalem.

Dore Gold, an advisor to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said Tuesday that Shoubaki had visited Baghdad in August 2001 in order to coordinate positions with the Iraqi government, and that in May 2001 he was present at a meeting in Moscow during which the draft for joint activities between Iran and the PA was agreed upon.

Both Iraq and Iran have become increasingly involved in providing financial and military support to Palestinian groups since Arafat first declared the peace process at a dead end and returned to armed conflict. Iraqi president Saddam Hussein announced last week that he is increasing the sum offered the families of suicide bombings from $10,000 to $25,000, in order to encourage more young men to "choose the path of martyrdom."

The following is the English translation of a routine invoice from the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade to the Office of Fouad Shoubaki, Yasser Arafat's chief financial officer for military expenses. The handwritting in the margins is thought to be that of Shoubaki himself.

Fouad Shoubaki Office’s handling of the “Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades” Request for Financial Aid

Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades

Financial Report

The debts which we have accumulated until now are estimated to be NIS 38,000.  The following are the details:

 1. The cost of posters of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades: Azam Mazhar, Usama Jubara, Shadi Afuri, Yasser Badawi, Ahed Fares (addition in handwriting of 2,000 shekels).

 2. Costs of printed announcements, invitations and mourners shelters for martyrs (addition in handwriting of 1,250 shekels).

 3. Cost of sticking photos of martyrs on wooden boards and also of the martyrs Thabet Thabet and Mahmud Al Jamil (addition in handwriting of 1,000 shekels).

 4. Cost of memorial ceremonies for the martyrs.  Memorial ceremonies were held for the martyr Azam and the martyr Usama (addition in handwriting of 6,000 shekels).

 5. Costs of electricity products and various chemical materials (for manufacture of explosive charges and bombs).  This is the greatest expenditure (the cost of one ready explosive charge is 700 shekels at least).  We require on a weekly basis 5 – 9 explosives charges for squads in various areas (addition in handwriting of 5,000 shekels per week x 4 = 20,000 shekels per month).

 6. The cost of bullets.  The cost of a Kalashnikov bullet is 7 – 8 shekels, and an M-16 bullet costs 2 – 2.5 shekels.  We need bullets on a daily basis.

 7. Note: there are 3,000 Kalashnikov bullets at a cost of 2 shekels per bullet.  We require that you transfer to us immediately a sum of money for us to purchase them (addition in handwriting of 22,500 shekels for kalashnikov bullets and 60,000 shekels for M-16 bullets).

In conclusion, all the glory and pride to those supporting the brave resistance against the oppressive occupation.

From the revolution until victory.

     Palestinian Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades
     16 September 2001

Addition in handwriting: 25,000 Dinar = 150,750:6

Sources: Ha'aretz, MSNBCNews, Washington Post, New York Times, Israel Radio

Organization Info


49 posted on 09/16/2003 7:35:37 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Vote McNader and Bustamante wins)
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The stupidity of the press, both concerning their ability to actually report what the administration has said, instead of blaming them for the media's sensationalizations of the news; and for blaming the public for "making the connection" between Saddam's support for terrorists in the Middle East, reported ties to Al Qaeda for the last 5 years in the press, and [gosh] AQs ability to pull off 9/11.

I think there's pretty good evidence for a circumstantial case to support that belief, and Judge Baer (who has a history of letting bad guys go despite solid evidence) agreed). If one hijacker trained at Salman Pak, if one Mukhabarat agent met with a hijacker prior to the attack, or with UBL or his lieutantents, that's a hand in it.

The swarmy media talking heads denying the existance of evidence are lying, questioning the proof of a tie - fine. Telling me how stupid or ignorant I am for thinking Saddam needed to be removed for our safety, for his 12 years of violating the cease fire, for his ties to terrorism, for torturing his own people - I didn't need an administration to convince me of that: Saddam already had.

56 posted on 09/17/2003 5:44:17 AM PDT by optimistically_conservative ( It's an odd mindset that sees hubris everywhere, but that cannot recognize evil. - Glen Reynolds)
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Reuters is probably also incapable of understanding how Saudi Arabia could be funding bin Laden (per Gerald Posner)even though bin Laden despises Saudi Arabia. But it's a payoff: we'll give you money if you don't hurt us. Despite internal disagreements, terrorists are united in their hatred of the West and will set aside their differences when it is in their interests to do so.
60 posted on 09/17/2003 7:45:28 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle (uo)
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This is really a stretch - absurd. Reuters is a shameful organization. My eyes were opened about Reuters at the beginning of the war on terrorism.
68 posted on 09/18/2003 6:42:05 AM PDT by Paulie
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