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Recall becomes wake-up call for Democrats in CA Legislature
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Oct. 9, 2003 | Mark Martin

Posted on 10/09/2003 7:50:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:19 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Sacramento -- Stunned by the number of voters who stormed the polls to kick Gov. Gray Davis out of office, top legislative Democrats on Wednesday declared an uneasy peace with the new governor, whose campaign centered in part on shaking up the statehouse.

Consider it shaken.


(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; catrans; legislature; recall; schwarzenegger; wakeupcall
I think they "ain's seen nothing yet"!

And looky look, Arnold may not be as "liberal" as some have thought -- even on social issues!

1 posted on 10/09/2003 7:50:40 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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2 posted on 10/09/2003 7:53:01 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: FairOpinion
It's interesting to note the 48 hour Democratic "spin cycle" rhetoric that Arnold's win is a message for "incumbents, George W in particular"
3 posted on 10/09/2003 7:54:13 PM PDT by KansasCanadian (The following comment about the French was removed by the Moderator...)
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To: FairOpinion
Arnold's tolerant on social issues. But he's not as extreme as the Democrats are. He accepts gay rights and domestic partnerships but is dead set against gay marriage. He supports keeping abortion legal but wants partial birth abortion banned and supports a parental notification law. On social issues he's where the electorate is. The Democrats seem to misread Californians' social liberalism as a license to just shove objectionable stuff in their face - like granting illegal aliens drivers' licenses.
4 posted on 10/09/2003 7:56:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FairOpinion
"If he wants to take money away from the aged, blind and disabled; if he wants to take money away from poor women and children, I don't think so.

Sounds like someone just pulled his string.

5 posted on 10/09/2003 7:58:23 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: freedomlover
No one in California wants to do that - not even us mean ol' conservatives. I think John Burton has had one bender too many.
6 posted on 10/09/2003 8:00:03 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FairOpinion
Led by Senate President Pro Tem John Burton, D-San Francisco, Democrats said they were willing to work with Gov.-elect Arnold Schwarzenegger

Liars. Rats'll never bend. You've got to drive the wooden stake through the party's heart.

7 posted on 10/09/2003 8:00:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: freedomlover
Sounds like someone just pulled his string.

You sure it wasn't his finger? That was pure flatulence...

8 posted on 10/09/2003 8:02:35 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: FairOpinion
"This was a rout, and only a fool would believe this is only about Gray Davis," said state Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland. "This was about those in power; it was about Democrats. I think it's time we reassessed our position."

Jeezus H, a California democrat that gets it. Quick, freeze-dry this rare specimen and put him in a museum under glass for all to stare at in wonder and awe.

9 posted on 10/09/2003 8:04:59 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: FairOpinion
"We better not have any taxpayer settlements paid for as a result of his conduct in office," Speier said.

I understand the Democrats are going to have the following plaque placed over the entrance to the Governor's Mansion: "Abandon all grope, ye who enter here."

10 posted on 10/09/2003 8:06:05 PM PDT by sourcery (Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil? [http://www.cthulhu.org/])
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To: FairOpinion
And that's in the liberal area:

...even in his liberal Alameda County district, one of only a handful that did not support the recall, constituents were upset about a higher car tax and perceptions that Democrats were in the pockets of big donors like American Indian tribes.

11 posted on 10/09/2003 8:08:38 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: goldstategop
Very well-stated. Libertarian and liberal aren't one and the same. The same applies for tolerant and condoning.
12 posted on 10/09/2003 8:09:10 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Well-stated)
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To: FairOpinion
BTTT
13 posted on 10/09/2003 8:09:49 PM PDT by onyx
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To: FairOpinion
"This was a rout, and only a fool would believe this is only about Gray Davis," said state Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland.”

“…constituents were upset about a higher car tax and perceptions that Democrats were in the pockets of big donors like American Indian tribes.”

14 posted on 10/09/2003 8:09:55 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Democrats’ life philosophy is so flawed they need my money to make their lives work.)
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To: randog
One other positive note is that the national DNC is now going to have to sink a lot of money in CA for the '04 prez race. Bush may not win CA, but the dems can't take a chance. This will siphon money needed elswhere.
15 posted on 10/09/2003 8:10:03 PM PDT by umgud (gov't has more money than it needs, but never as much as it wants)
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To: GOPJ
Liberals like other people to pay higher taxes. Its just that they don't want to be the ones to have to pay them when the bill comes due.
16 posted on 10/09/2003 8:10:32 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: umgud
Think positive -- in a year's time Arnold may well have CA on the road to recovery, and I wouldn't rule out that Bush could carry the state, with Arnold helping him and he will.

"Happy days are here again"
17 posted on 10/09/2003 8:13:43 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: umgud
Yes and it screws up shrillarys run in '94.

Its going to be Arnie 7-24....the dems will get page 24 below the fold.

Can you imagine the excitement over the Arnie-Bush '04 CA road tour....I guess they will use a squadron of A-10's borrowed from the CA National Guard....or a hundred Harly hogs

18 posted on 10/09/2003 8:17:20 PM PDT by spokeshave (Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
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To: FairOpinion
I know the Cali legislature is dominated by democrats, but the county by county map (in 2000 as well as 2003) shows strong conservative pockets.

Who knows Cali well? Can the republicans build a machine to take some seats in the Cali legislature that are being kept warm by dems in 'Bushcounties?'

Is that time upon us?
19 posted on 10/09/2003 8:21:46 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: umgud
This will siphon money needed elswhere.

There's a lot of hole-plugging happening on the SS DNC. It's way too early to say, but with the R's out-fundraising the D's by record amounts it may make for a very......'interesting' '04 election.

20 posted on 10/09/2003 8:24:40 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: HitmanNY
The Republican counties are thinly populated. The coastal cities (LA and the Bay Area) go massively Democrat, and they represent most of the state. That's why the dems run the Legislature.
21 posted on 10/09/2003 8:25:26 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: Poohbah
Oh well, so looks like no changes anytime soon.
22 posted on 10/09/2003 8:28:15 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: goldstategop; Sabertooth; Joe Hadenuf
"Arnold's tolerant on social issues. But he's not as extreme as the Democrats are. He accepts gay rights and domestic partnerships but is dead set against gay marriage. He supports keeping abortion legal but wants partial birth abortion banned and supports a parental notification law. On social issues he's where the electorate is. The Democrats seem to misread Californians' social liberalism as a license to just shove objectionable stuff in their face - like granting illegal aliens drivers' licenses." - goldstategop

Well said.

Another thing worth mentioning is that California's voters were willing to tolerate quite a lot of foul ups in Sacramento, but even such forgiving voters were finally pushed over the line (starting with the way the Democrats mishandled the energy crisis -- something completely missed by the press in regard to voter disdain for Democrats at the time...that translated into a near-win for Simon last year).

23 posted on 10/09/2003 8:33:03 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: FairOpinion
If Arnold holds true to his promises...
If he fights to restore conservative sanity in Sacramento...
If he fights to slam the front door on illegal immigration...
If he refuses to "kiss the ring" of the lunatic leftists in Sacramento ---

THEN, Arnold can bring the full force of public support into play - and throw the "coalition of the unwilling" out of office, and into the street on their worthless, overrated, arrogant, incompetent fat asses....
Any idiot currently in office that doesn't recognize this -- is dumber than even I had imagined...

Some democrats will go into panic attacks, once they realize they have lost the Governor's office - in the MOST embarrassing manner - and THEY may be next...

If Arnold "goes native" and succumbs to the power of office, and FORGETS the folks who put him there --- he will be gone in the next election.....

Semper Fi
24 posted on 10/09/2003 8:36:51 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: river rat
True.... Davis' ego swelled after he got into office and thought he was politically untouchable and his miraculous survival last year fed his illusion nothing could ever happen to him. High office and its perks does things to some people that just makes them lose complete touch with reality. Arnold has one shot to get it right before running for reelection in 2006.
25 posted on 10/09/2003 8:40:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: HitmanNY
but the county by county map (in 2000 as well as 2003) shows strong conservative pockets.

CA State legislators are not elected by county, but by district. The districts are now gerrymandered into safe seats by the Democrats. There are two chances for a Republican state house in Caley-fornia. Slim and none. (sigh)

26 posted on 10/09/2003 8:42:29 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
That could change if voters approve an initiative abolishing gerrymandering and transferring the power to redistrict the State Legislature and Congress every decade to an independent commission.
27 posted on 10/09/2003 8:44:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: FairOpinion
Sen. Liz Figueroa, D-Fremont, said it was an "exciting time," declaring it "wonderful" that so many Californians were now paying attention to politics.

Best performance shining a turd... and the nominees are... Sen. Liz Figueroa for "wonderful."

28 posted on 10/09/2003 8:50:50 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The Wright Brothers were not the first to fly. They were the first to LAND.)
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To: FairOpinion
Sen. Liz Figueroa, D-Fremont, said it was an "exciting time," declaring it "wonderful" that so many Californians were now paying attention to politics.

Best performance shining a turd... and the nominees are... Sen. Liz Figueroa for "wonderful."

29 posted on 10/09/2003 8:51:05 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The Wright Brothers were not the first to fly. They were the first to LAND.)
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To: randog
Jeezus H, a California democrat that gets it.

Fortunately none of the rest of them are listening to him.

30 posted on 10/09/2003 8:57:57 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: sourcery
Burton mentioned that both he and Schwarzenegger counted actress Jamie Lee Curtis as a friend.

easy bonding moment


31 posted on 10/09/2003 9:02:24 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: FairOpinion
he raised his voice. "If he wants to take money away from the aged, blind and disabled; if he wants to take money away from poor women and children, I don't think so. Not while I'm around."

BWAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!! It's deja vu all over again! Every time there's a big sea change in government from Dem to GOP, the haunting specter of the broken, trampled bodies of the widows and the orphans and the poor are bandied about.

Remember post-election 1994? Newt and the other cold-hearted (or no-hearted) new GOP majority in Congress were going to throw the poor and the elderly out on the streets. Little old ladies would soon be seen fighting with dogs in alleyways to scrounge enough food to stay alive. TIME's cover had a caricature of a cross between Newt and The Grinch with the caption, "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas".

These RATs are so hysterical!

32 posted on 10/09/2003 9:08:20 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: FairOpinion
"Both Kuehl and Sen. Jackie Speier, D-Hillsborough, said they were concerned about allegations from 15 women who told the Los Angeles Times that Schwarzenegger had made unwanted sexual advances toward them, most often on the sets of movies. "

Kuehl's just insanely jealous. Bet she hasn't been groped or even whistled at in her entire life. She has a face that ... ummm ... a face that only a mother could love. E.g., a horse's a--. Proving once again Rush Limbaugh's maxim that lesbians are ugly women who are just incredibly bitter and hate men as a result.

33 posted on 10/09/2003 9:10:39 PM PDT by tom h
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To: FairOpinion
Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica. "He's not going to be able to solve all of the state's problems in 120 minutes like he does in his movies."...didn't she play Zelda or some such character in the old "Dobie Gillis" show? - things always concluded happily for her within 30 minutes - 120 minutes should give Arnold plenty of time........
34 posted on 10/09/2003 9:14:29 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: freedomlover
Arnold's a Republican, so he must want to starve children and throw old people out on the street.
35 posted on 10/09/2003 9:51:17 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Reeses
Mmmm. Jamie Lee Curtis.
36 posted on 10/09/2003 10:01:44 PM PDT by freedomlover
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To: FairOpinion
And .. the "uneasy peace" for the statehouse is because WE CAN RECALL THEM TOO. Hope they got the message.
37 posted on 10/09/2003 10:44:15 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: FairOpinion
"He can huff and puff, but he's not going to be able to blow the Legislative house down," said Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica. "He's not going to be able to solve all of the state's problems in 120 minutes like he does in his movies."

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Isn't there a toilet somewhere in which Arnold should shove her head?

38 posted on 10/09/2003 10:49:08 PM PDT by doug from upland (Arnold cannot be compared to Clinton.......Clinton is a vicious biting perjuring rapist)
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To: CyberAnt
Who's Next? Keep the ball a going!
39 posted on 10/09/2003 10:52:28 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: HitmanNY
Who knows Cali well? Can the republicans build a machine to take some seats in the Cali legislature that are being kept warm by dems in 'Bushcounties?'

It's possible but not easy, take San Luis Obispo Co for example the small town I live in Atascadero is rural and fairly conservative San Luis 20 mi to the south is a collage town and obnoxiously liberal unfortunately it's also the CO seat but Paso Robles 10 Mi North is not only conservative it's pro growth and pro buisness so hopefully as its revenues expand it's influence in the county will expand as well.It takes time and it's frustrating as hell we have an industrious fiscally responsible north county footing the bill for the no growth enviro nazis of the south.
40 posted on 10/09/2003 11:29:02 PM PDT by edchambers (Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?)
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To: goldstategop
"...but is dead set against gay marriage."

Supports homosexual adoption.

41 posted on 10/09/2003 11:53:50 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: FairOpinion
This post has been added to the… California In Transition- Must read Threads!

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42 posted on 10/10/2003 2:04:01 AM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: Sabertooth
pinging you here for your opinion.
43 posted on 10/10/2003 2:25:10 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: randog
"This was a rout, and only a fool would believe this is only about Gray Davis," said state Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland. "This was about those in power; it was about Democrats. I think it's time we reassessed our position."

Quick... give this guy some more KoolAid, he's starting to sober up.

44 posted on 10/10/2003 3:53:41 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: FairOpinion
The CA dem legislators are going to get mauled in the next election, if they play any games whatsoever. The people realize it was Davis and them that made this mess. They really are on incredibly thin ice.
45 posted on 10/10/2003 3:56:22 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: FairOpinion
"...and the sexual harassment charges leveled at Schwarzenegger Clinton seem destined to remain be ignored as a political issue.
46 posted on 10/10/2003 4:03:25 AM PDT by bullseye1911
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To: goldstategop
That could change if voters approve an initiative abolishing gerrymandering....

I certainly hope so. I would also like to see an initiative proposal to repeal term limits, BUT in return, reform assembly and state senate rules for speaker and committee chair terms. Right now, the CA legislature is as dangerous as it was under Willie Brown.

47 posted on 10/10/2003 9:50:58 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
(That could change if voters approve an initiative abolishing gerrymandering..)..

Can someone put in a call to Tom DeLay and the Texas Republicans? They seem to have solved their problem with districts and representation.
48 posted on 10/10/2003 10:15:41 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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