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To: malakhi
Good Morning Malakhi,

Spending the early mrning reading many many posts from Freepers regarding "Jesus" a strong debate that is now ensuing within the Jewish Communites as well as in Christian sects is becoming (It Seems)one of the hottest topic debates around obviously with the upcoming movie regarding "The Passion of Christ"

My question for you is this: I have read your links to the "Talmud" as well as other links to the "Talmud" by other Jewish Scholars as well as a Talmud script from a Jewish Theologian that was pretty herendous, so I omit that one..

What is it in your opinion that gives one Tamud's (The one you posted) version of the crucifixcion of Jesus more creedence than the other?
what bases or scripture are you using.

Also if we agree that Jesus exsisted was born in Judea was a Jew and executed, would you be saying from some of your Talmud links his death is not mentioned because it did not matter? and others with a similar name "Yeshu" would have more credibility in the "Talmud" then Jesus?

Last question: From your Talmud perspective would you say that the name "Yeshu" would be a common name for jews to be executed due to sorcery or practicing magic? and why even mention these jews at all? what importance do they have in the "Talmud"

Thank you for your reply :)
22 posted on 01/25/2004 8:47:40 AM PST by missyme
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To: missyme
What is it in your opinion that gives one Tamud's (The one you posted) version of the crucifixcion of Jesus more creedence than the other?

Based upon the research I have done, this is the traditional opinion among orthodox Jews. Those who read these passages differently tend to be either non-Jews with an agenda, or liberal Jews who are opposed to the Talmud in general. Many of these people deny the divine inspiration of scripture and accept the "documentary hypothesis" and other "higher critical" theories. Why should you believe what they say about the Talmud?

Also if we agree that Jesus exsisted was born in Judea was a Jew and executed, would you be saying from some of your Talmud links his death is not mentioned because it did not matter?

From the standpoint of Christians, the execution of Jesus was the central moment in history. From the standpoint of the Romans, it was just one more execution among thousands. John the Baptist gets more print in the works of Josephus than does Jesus. With one or two exceptions, other contemporary writers don't mention him at all. So it isn't surprising that he wasn't mentioned in the Talmud. Remember that by the time the Talmud was written down, Christianity has ceased being a Jewish sect, and had become a gentile religion.

From your Talmud perspective would you say that the name "Yeshu" would be a common name for jews to be executed due to sorcery or practicing magic? and why even mention these jews at all? what importance do they have in the "Talmud"

Yeshu (and all its variants) was one of the most common names of the time. So it isn't surprising that it turns up in the Talmud. The Talmud is more of a literary anthology than it is a strictly didactic work. In addition to commentary on the law, it contains fables, parables, moral teachings, folk wisdom, history, etc. Not everything contained in it should be considered of equal significance. These few passages are being highlighted here, and being rated as far more important than they appear in the context of the Talmud -- that is, a few brief passages out of a huge multi-volume work.

23 posted on 01/26/2004 6:36:50 AM PST by malakhi
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