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Obama's Half Brother Recalls Their Abusive Father
NYTimes ^ | November 03nd, 2009

Posted on 11/03/2009 8:11:26 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: Ann Archy
Jerry Ford had divorced parents??? Are you sure??

His mother Dorothy divorced Leslie Lynch King on December 19, 1913, when the future president was only 5 months old. She later married Gerald Ford in 1916.
41 posted on 11/04/2009 5:11:33 AM PST by Brown Deer (4 Google execs are on Obama's staff - YouTube is owned by Google)
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To: maggief; thouworm; Fred Nerks; LucyT

Name: Mark O Ndesandjo
Birth Date: Nov 1965
Phone Number: 665-2826
Address: 2243 19th Av, San Francisco, California 94116-0801 (1993)
[Pob 142, Palo Alto, California 94302-0101 (1990)]
[672 Chiquita Front House Av, Mountain View, California 94041]

Name: Mark Ndesandjo
City: Bayonne
State: New Jersey
Zip Code: 07002
Phone Number: 201-858-3527
Residence Years: 1997

42 posted on 11/04/2009 5:19:02 AM PST by Brown Deer (4 Google execs are on Obama's staff - YouTube is owned by Google)
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To: Seizethecarp
...a bigamous marriage would negate any Obama dual citizenship under the 1948 BNA the way I read it.

Are you saying that Obama II, if born in Hawaii, had only one parent US citizen and did not become a British citizen at birth?

43 posted on 11/04/2009 5:44:06 AM PST by circumbendibus (Where's the Birth Certificate?)
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To: Ann Archy
Jerry Ford's birth name was Leslie King
44 posted on 11/04/2009 6:00:13 AM PST by Oystir
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To: thouworm; LucyT
“I was just thinking about how life is so strange. You know, as soon as the Old Man died, the lawyers contacted all those who might have a claim to the inheritance. Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark’s father was. So of all of the Old Man’s kids, Mark’s claim is the only one that’s uncontested.”

Read that a few times and let it sink in. Sheesh.

45 posted on 11/04/2009 7:32:33 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: circumbendibus
Assuming an HI birth, I don't believe that it can be stated with certainty that BHO II was “governed by the BNA of 1948” without a forensic investigation of both the legality of BHO Sr’s marriage in Kenya (”tribal” or “official”) and the legal status of the HI marriage (whether or not bigamous) in view of what is discovered in Kenya.

I also don't believe it can be stated with certainty that the illegitimate child of a bigamous marriage with a US citizen mother born on US soil, but with a foreign citizen father is or is not a “natural born citizen.”

46 posted on 11/04/2009 7:41:43 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: YellowRoseofTx; RummyChick
I haven't seen evidence that BHO Sr.s marriage to Kezia was Muslim. There seem to have been specific legal and religious requirements for multiple wives and this was apparently available only in certain parts of Kenya on the coast that may have been outside the Lou tribal area near Lake Victoria where BHO II an Kezia came from.

It appears that Kezia did not consider herself to have been in a legally sanctioned Muslim marriage and their tribe, the Luo, were not traditionally Muslim. Kezia considered BHO Sr to have been a bigamist.—mother.html

BHO Sr’s father appears to have gone outside the traditional non-Muslim colonial Christian background of his upbringing as a political protest against the British, much like the Black Muslims in the US.

From Wiki:

Religious customs

The Luo traditionally believed in an afterlife and a supreme creator, whom they called Nyasaye, and had a strong ancestor cult. Today the vast majority of Kenya Luo are Christians, while a few are Muslim.[6]

Marriage customs

Historically, couples were introduced to each other by matchmakers, but this is also not common now. The Luo frequently marry outside the tribe, although it is not recommended by the council of elders. The traditional marriage ceremony takes place in two parts, both involving the payment of a bride price by the groom. The first ceremony, the Ayie, involves a payment of money to the mother of the bride; the second stage involves giving cattle to her father. Often these two steps are carried out at the same time, and as many modern Luos are Christians, a church ceremony often follows.

47 posted on 11/04/2009 7:58:46 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Velveeta; thouworm; LucyT; Fred Nerks

It’s certainly a shame that Hawaii’s Department of Health would not even let his own mother have a copy of that secret birth certificate.

48 posted on 11/04/2009 8:07:29 AM PST by Brown Deer (4 Google execs are on Obama's staff - YouTube is owned by Google)
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49 posted on 11/04/2009 8:29:49 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: Brown Deer; maggief; Fred Nerks; LucyT; Velveeta; wideminded

FWIW - have only found one source for the info below, so it is NOT confirmed: The following is consolidated from posts I posted on this thread:

I asked because I think there might be (unconfirmed) evidence that BHO, Sr married third wife Ruth in 1964 in Mass.

If so, it might explain the necessity for the divorce, which became final in Mar 1964 (assuming BHO, Sr & Stanley Ann were married).

BHO, Sr and Ruth’s son Mark was born in 1964.

Also, according to “Dreams,” Mark was the uncontested heir to BHO’s Sr’s estate because none of the other children could prove their legal claim to be his offspring. Mark had all the necessary documents.

Ruth says she was married about 7 yrs to BHO, Sr. They might have divorced in 1971. Wondered if that might have had anything to do with the law [polygamy] you are citing (rather than the abuse) & also BHO Sr’s trip to the US that year.

Much speculation here, and even if true, does it tie in anywhere to the subject of our focus.

Ruth Ndesandjo [re-married name after divorce from Obama]
Personal and Family Information

Ruth Ndesandjo was born ABT 1945 in USA.

Ruth Ndesandjo had 2 marriages/partners. Her 1st husband was Barack Hussein Obama Sr.. They were married FROM 1964 TO 1965 in Massachusetts, USA. Their 2 known children were Mark Ndesandjo and David Ndesandjo.

Her 2nd husband was 2nd husband Nidesand. They were married ABT 1980. Their known child was Joseph Ndesandjo.

Both Ruth & her sons reveal as little as possible and are as vague as they can be.

By the time of BHO’s death, Ruth’s second son, David, was already deceased (died in a motorcycle accident, apparently while living with one of BHO’s half-brothers). Thus the assertion by BHO [in Dreams] that Auma said Mark had uncontested claim to BHO Sr’s estate because he was the only child with documents to prove his relationship to BHO, Sr..

Causes me to think that BHO had to have been contacted by attorneys concerning BHO Sr’s estate -— if he was BHO Sr’s son.

Re the genealogical link: I do not think they were divorced in Mass (and definitely not in 1965). I think that may refer to when they departed US for Kenya. This source is a bit sloppy.

Ruth said she was married about 7 yrs — which if they were married in 1964, would be about 1971. Did the divorce occur in Kenya or US? do not know.

I have not checked Ruth’s whereabouts that year (1971), but BHO did come to USA, apparently near the end of that year — his only visit with BHO in the US.

Ruth re-married & had her sons’ names changed (to their present name). She remarried, IIRC, in 1980, or thereabouts.

In Dreams, Ruth asks Barry why his mother did not have his name changed when she remarried. He did not answer her.

FRED NERKS: well, that opens another possible can of worms doesn’t it? That means, as zero didn’t visit Kenya until several years after the death of Obama Sr, any papers, documents, manuscripts etc...from the Obama Sr ‘estate’ would now be in the possession of Mark Ndesandjo.

Another thought worth considering:

Barack Jr’s mother, Ann Dunham visited Kenya when Obama Sr died. She met her co-wife, Kezia and they both became great friends.Since then, the Obamas have formed an extraordinary bond, despite their unstable family history and cultural and geographic differences.

50 posted on 11/04/2009 8:37:27 AM PST by thouworm
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To: Fred Nerks
It's way past time for all the 'journalists' to stop following the timeline of 'Dreams'.

Before I turn you into the WH Security People, I want to give you every chance to clear yourself.

Are you really saying you doubt the words of Bill Ayers, author of the immortal classic, "Dreams of My Father?" I sure hope not. Furthermore, Fred, I am worried that you just may be showing alarming signs of euro-centric cultural chauvinism and lamentable insensitivity.

Just FYI: In African cultural the male may leave the family, but his totemic spirit remains behind. They call it "mojo."

51 posted on 11/04/2009 8:40:18 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (George Washington was a former British Subject. Just like Obama.)
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To: rocco55; thouworm; rxsid; GOPJ; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
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Pinging to this thread again because of all the new information in the comments. Check it out.


52 posted on 11/04/2009 8:42:52 AM PST by LucyT
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To: Brown Deer

Can you find a DOB for brother David Ndesandjo?

How about the dates BO Sr. married and divorced Ruth?


53 posted on 11/04/2009 8:44:33 AM PST by maggief
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To: browardchad
Another of the president's half brothers, George Obama, has penned a memoir that will be in 2010..... Obama relatives working on books include half sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, ... and Craig Robinson, first lady Michelle Obama's brother. ... enough of these fascinating literary masterpieces for "The New York Times Obama Book Club." mmmm-mmmm-mmmm

At this rate, Bill Ayers could get terminal Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.

54 posted on 11/04/2009 8:46:47 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (George Washington was a former British Subject. Just like Obama.)
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To: maggief

no - David was born in 1966 and died in a motorcycle accident in 1987.

55 posted on 11/04/2009 8:49:50 AM PST by Brown Deer (4 Google execs are on Obama's staff - YouTube is owned by Google)
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To: Fred Nerks

“more interesting reading on a cereal packet.”
LOL; at least after being told what a wonder product one is about to consume, you are presented with a list of FACTS in the ingredients list.


“I only bring that up because Stanley Ann instituted the divorce. “

I consider the possibility that BHO, Sr met Ruth prior to the divorce and may have, in fact, asked for a divorce because of his new relationship with Ruth. It was common in those days for a woman to initiate the divorce paperwork even though it was the man who was the actual originator.

If Ruth was pregnant in Mass. with Mark, this would provide an explanation. Of course, all of this is speculation, but see my Post #50

56 posted on 11/04/2009 8:55:31 AM PST by thouworm
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To: thouworm

Another important date ...

“Problems Facing Our Socialism,” published July, 1965 in the East African Journal


Barack Jnr was born in August, 1961.

Two years later, Barack Snr was accepted at Harvard and left Ann and their little boy behind for the east coast.

Throughout this time he had written regularly to Kezia, even sending pictures of Ann and Barack Jr.

What he failed to tell his first wife was that he had also met a second new woman, an American teacher called Ruth.

Nor did he tell her, on his return to Kenya in 1965, that she had become his third wife.

Kezia said: “I’d moved to the family compound in Alego. When Barack got back, he came to see me and said, ‘I don’t have a job or a house yet. When I get settled I will come back for you.’”

But Barack Snr then lost both legs in a car crash coming back from a nightclub - and Kezia discovered the truth.

She said: “When I went to see him in the hospital I thought, ‘What is that lady in there with him for?’

“Then Barack said: ‘This is Ruth.’ Next he turned to Ruth and said: ‘I have a wife and two children.’”

Barack Snr went on to become a senior economist in Jomo Kenyatta’s government, enjoying the lifestyle with Ruth that Kezia had dreamed of.

He continued to see Kezia and had son Abo with her in 1968, followed by Bernard in 1970.

Kindergarten head Ruth divorced Barack after seven years and now has the surname Ndesandjo.

57 posted on 11/04/2009 8:55:52 AM PST by maggief
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To: Steelfish

Barry Sr. clearly didn’t beat Barry Jr. often enough.

58 posted on 11/04/2009 8:56:37 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Brown Deer

“David was born in 1966 and died in a motorcycle accident in 1987.”

Do you know what month in 1966?

59 posted on 11/04/2009 8:57:37 AM PST by maggief
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To: Brown Deer

do you still have your source for this?

60 posted on 11/04/2009 9:03:43 AM PST by thouworm
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